Hong-Kong Protests

[KYli]

hijiki lost his credibility when he proclaimed that the protests were peaceful in June and July. In addition, the protests were never about the extradition law to begin with. The extradition law is just an excuse these rioters sized to incite their supporters to come out to protest. People like hijiki would always rewrite the history to conform their own reality and come here to preach.

 

[localizer]

hijiki lost his credibility when he proclaimed that the protests were peaceful in June and July. In addition, the protests were never about the extradition law to begin with. The extradition law is just an excuse these rioters sized to incite their supporters to come out to protest. People like hijiki would always rewrite the history to conform their own reality and come here to preach.

Japanese don’t even know what they did to China due to revisionism and US helping them whitewash.

 

[Gatekeeper]

You mean throwing bricks and acid at police?
Stopped reading right there. You're full of shit.

I watched the rioters storm the barricades outside the LegCo on June 12th. Bricks and caustic liquid were involved. That was also the first time the police used tear gas. I saw a group of protesters mob a policeman right outside the LegCo lobby, beating him with his own baton until his fellow officer drove them off with a beanbag shotgun.
Funny how these 'peaceful protestors' were plucking cobblestones and stealing bricks from nearby construction sites and organizing them into neat piles via human chains for easy access when their only intention was to peacefully demonstrate.
Funny how media around the world reported the police action as brutality when the rioters attacked first.
Funny how you don't seem to know any of this.

He is full of sxxt! At first, I was prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt when he mentioned "goddess of democracy" etc. I thought he was just an idealist. Alas, no. He is in fact a revisionist and propagandist.

I should have known from someone hailing from certain little islands east of China.

 

[Gatekeeper]

hijiki lost his credibility when he proclaimed that the protests were peaceful in June and July. In addition, the protests were never about the extradition law to begin with. The extradition law is just an excuse these rioters sized to incite their supporters to come out to protest. People like hijiki would always rewrite the history to conform their own reality and come here to preach.

Yes just like a certain nation. No prizes to know which nation he come from.

 

[KYli]

Yes just like a certain nation. No prizes to know which nation he come from.

It doesn't really matter where is he come from. They always preach the same stuffs and have the same version of story. If lies, distortions, and moving goal post don't work, then they always go back to the step one which is preaching.

 

[supersnoop]

It mostly wasn't about trying to overthrow the government with violance. There were still elections in HK for the legislature. But when it appears that mainland central government is passing regulations that reduce any possible legal path for influence politics, then some people react violently to the forcing of tightening control. Such as one thing offered was that governor could be elected but candidates have to be approved by the mainland central government before being elgible for running. Things like trigger a loss of faith in some people about maintaining 1 country 2 system and so the only way to react is violant and destruction. Naturally most of the democracy advocates in HK didn't support the destruction of much of HK. They encouraged protests and demonstrations. Some of the destruction carried was also partly a result of other HK issues such as housing expenses. The main drive for yhe demonstrations and protests was to get democracy sided politicians elected into the legislature. The number of those legislatures did increase in following tbe increase awareness about central mainland government influence that resulted from the 2014 umbrella protests. So very much the legal path towards protecting HKs level of autonomy was being pursued. But the mainland central government did not make clear in a trustful way that 1 country 2 system was going to be maintained. That is not necessarily an argument that 1 country 2 system must be protected for 100 years more and further more. HK has a very long history as part of China dynasty's so it is kind of strange for HK to be a separate system which only left to be that due to left over colony possession. But the mainland's tight government control is something that people not yet harmonized by it tend to want to avoid if at all possible. Quite likely if PRC government control was less then there would be less friction within HK and between HK and the mainland.

You sound like another well meaning white colonizer (even if you are Japanese)

First, your invocation of Liu Xiaobo basically discounts everything you said. That guy was a nut case. This guy advocated for the very violent overthrow of CCP by America and their military allies and used wars like Vietnam and Iraq to justify it. The United States certainly committed far worse crimes against the Vietnamese people than the communists ever did, yet this guy thinks it’s defensible. Not a great example...

Second, as people pointed out, most of these people are not “pro democracy”, this is a label given to them by western/western-aligned media. Their xenophobic undertones of attacking mandarin speakers, hokkienese, pro-PRC people shows their true colours.

Anyone with just a shred of historical knowledge knows, the Nazi party was democratically elected.

 

[supersnoop]

Japanese don’t even know what they did to China due to revisionism and US helping them whitewash.

I didn’t watch the whole thing, but there was the one young woman who said she visited China once with her family and it was nice.

That basically sums up how China will never improve their image, especially in the US. Most people in the US have never travelled outside the country, let alone China. They will believe whatever is told to them.

Reminds me of a coworker I had from former Yugoslavia. He said basically western people have this outrageous notion that everything former communist is like the gulag. They don’t even realize that Yugoslavia was independent of the Soviet Union, people travelled freely, maybe even more freely than Americans at the time since it was easier to visit both western and communist bloc countries.

 

[daifo]

OMG! @daifo did he just condone violence? You mentioned violence is not the way. His reply was full of apologies for why violence came about. And unless I misread his post, no where did he said violence is wrong! So in a roundabout way, he is condoning violence.

He didn't catch the plot twist of the story where the "hero" in the beginning of the story turns out to be the villian by the middle of the story. It is the blind faith and 100 years of propaganda that when someone screams "DEMOCRACY" that it is automatically "good"

 

[vincent]

You sound like another well meaning white colonizer (even if you are Japanese)

First, your invocation of Liu Xiaobo basically discounts everything you said. That guy was a nut case. This guy advocated for the very violent overthrow of CCP by America and their military allies and used wars like Vietnam and Iraq to justify it. The United States certainly committed far worse crimes against the Vietnamese people than the communists ever did, yet this guy thinks it’s defensible. Not a great example...

Liu Xiaobo also advocated 300+ more years of colonization from the civilized white people to elevate the Chinese

 

[Nobonita Barua]

Japanese don’t even know what they did to China due to revisionism and US helping them whitewash.

From a neutral point of view, their answers were quite honest instead of singing "our values...our values".

I think most interesting part of the video was, when they were asked about territorial issue, their answer was from timid to downright doesn't care.
US wouldn't like that