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[bajingan]

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Looks like these fools started to entertain the idea of restricting iron ore sales to China
What will China do when they really restrict iron ore sales? when will China develop reliable alternative supply of iron ore? 62% of China iron ore came from australia
How long do you guys think iron ore mines in west africa will be fully operational?

 

[quantumlight]

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Looks like these fools started to entertain the idea of restricting iron ore sales to China
What will China do when they really restrict iron ore sales? when will China develop reliable alternative supply of iron ore? 62% of China iron ore came from australia
How long do you guys think iron ore mines in west africa will be fully operational?

So when is China gonna do the rare earth ban to FEYES if Oz bans iron ore sales to China?

 

[emblem21]

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Looks like these fools started to entertain the idea of restricting iron ore sales to China
What will China do when they really restrict iron ore sales? when will China develop reliable alternative supply of iron ore? 62% of China iron ore came from australia
How long do you guys think iron ore mines in west africa will be fully operational?

China must have already long planned for this situation. But I guess we must wait and see just how bad Scott Morrison is willing to send Australia's economy down to until he gets rendered expendable. China has back up plans, Australia doesn't and once the are in a bad situation, they always try to get the USA to help but I get the feeling that this time, Scott Morrison, like Trump is committing political suicide and soon enough, should the corporations decide that they have harmed there profits enough, a real one. Once the USA gets sent in a depression (they can't print money forever), Australia will desperately try to reconnect to China, even getting rid of the elements that cause the problem in the first place and replaced with someone else stupid, when the government faced with enough unemployed that will riot from the lack of jobs thanks to Morrison. China's long term goals for Australia is happening (given that Victoria is still signed up with the belt and road) and it is going to take the global reset (right now all currencies are going down) and the stripping for the US world reserve currency status to show the world what China can do. Also note that Biden can ill afford a fight with China when there economy is in the dumps and heck he will sell china the steel they need thus Australia cucks itself again like an idiot for basically giving other countries more of a chance to sell. Come on, don't think that this iron ore threat means anything since there are lots of sellers right now and China has stockpiles but does Scott Morrison want to be the man to send Australia into a depression. Scott Morrison is a dead man walking at this point for causing this kind of trouble and if China's currency goes up in value, they might even buy up Australia and then basically dictate the terms upfront.
So no, this iron ore threat is like the whole HK thing, giving China what they want, basically killing themselves without shooting a bullet

 

[j17wang]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1330345238351769602

KFC is also racists AF... good that China has 5G self driving food carts now but should not be showcasing it with white man junk food

It doesn't matter what it sells, all that matters is that its selling, and china is breeding grounds for new business models. I dont care whether or not its even successful/sustainable, only that the idea is tried and we get the first mover advantage.

 

[ansy1968]

China must have already long planned for this situation. But I guess we must wait and see just how bad Scott Morrison is willing to send Australia's economy down to until he gets rendered expendable. China has back up plans, Australia doesn't and once the are in a bad situation, they always try to get the USA to help but I get the feeling that this time, Scott Morrison, like Trump is committing political suicide and soon enough, should the corporations decide that they have harmed there profits enough, a real one. Once the USA gets sent in a depression (they can't print money forever), Australia will desperately try to reconnect to China, even getting rid of the elements that cause the problem in the first place and replaced with someone else stupid, when the government faced with enough unemployed that will riot from the lack of jobs thanks to Morrison. China's long term goals for Australia is happening (given that Victoria is still signed up with the belt and road) and it is going to take the global reset (right now all currencies are going down) and the stripping for the US world reserve currency status to show the world what China can do. Also note that Biden can ill afford a fight with China when there economy is in the dumps and heck he will sell china the steel they need thus Australia cucks itself again like an idiot for basically giving other countries more of a chance to sell. Come on, don't think that this iron ore threat means anything since there are lots of sellers right now and China has stockpiles but does Scott Morrison want to be the man to send Australia into a depression. Scott Morrison is a dead man walking at this point for causing this kind of trouble and if China's currency goes up in value, they might even buy up Australia and then basically dictate the terms upfront.
So no, this iron ore threat is like the whole HK thing, giving China what they want, basically killing themselves without shooting a bullet

Hi emblem21,

Whose your alternative market if SCOMO do implement it's plan? Where are the opposition? I think the media had played a role in which every politician is scare to look soft on China, there is no constructive policy.

 

[weig2000]

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Looks like these fools started to entertain the idea of restricting iron ore sales to China
What will China do when they really restrict iron ore sales? when will China develop reliable alternative supply of iron ore? 62% of China iron ore came from australia
How long do you guys think iron ore mines in west africa will be fully operational?

Australian media is preparing their domestic readers for the worst to come.

 

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The doubters already here

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

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The doubters already here

1998: The Economist: China may be about to catch the Japanese disease.
1999: University of Wollongong: China's Economic Growth Slowdown
2001: Gordon Chang: The Coming Collapse of China
2003: New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China
2004: The Economist: The great fall of China?
2005: Nouriel Roubini: Will the Bretton Woods 2 Regime Unravel Soon? The Risk of a Hard Landing in China
2006: International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
2007: TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?
2008: Forbes: Hard Landing In China?
2008: Asia-Pacific Journal: The Rising Risk of a Hard Landing in China:
2009: CNN: China's hard landing - With exports shrinking and unemployment rising, China must find a way to recover
2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think
2011: Foreign Policy: China's hard landing
2011: Nouriel Roubini: China's Bad Growth Bet
2012: American Interest: More Dismal Economic News from China: Is a Hard Landing Coming?
2012: Business Insider: Chinese Hard Landing: Here's Why It's Finally Happening
2012: Financial Times: Economists weigh Chinese 'hard landing'
2013: Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing
2014: CNBC: A hard landing in China: The risks in one graphic
2014: Harvard Business Review: Why China Can't Innovate
2015: Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.
2015: The Diplomat: The End of CCP Rule and the Collapse of China
2015: Wall Street Journal: "The Coming Chinese Crackup"
2016: Economist Intelligence Unit: Hard landing looms for China
2017: National Interest: A Mountain of Debt: Is China's Economy Going To Crash
2017: International Journal of Economics and Finance: Will Rising Debt in China Lead to a Hard Landing?
2018: BBC: China's economic slowdown: How bad is it?
2018: Guardian: A Chinese recession is inevitable - don't think it won't affect you
2019: Forbes: How Close Is China To A Financial Crisis?
2019: Bloomberg: Forget the Trade War. China Is Already in Crisis
2019: The Diplomat: China Collapse
2020: Noema: Has China Peaked Already?

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There's another list more impressive than this one, but I gotta find it

 

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1998: The Economist: China may be about to catch the Japanese disease.
1999: University of Wollongong: China's Economic Growth Slowdown
2001: Gordon Chang: The Coming Collapse of China
2003: New York Times: Banking crisis imperils China
2004: The Economist: The great fall of China?
2005: Nouriel Roubini: Will the Bretton Woods 2 Regime Unravel Soon? The Risk of a Hard Landing in China
2006: International Economy: Can China Achieve a Soft Landing?
2007: TIME: Is China's Economy Overheating? Can China avoid a hard landing?
2008: Forbes: Hard Landing In China?
2008: Asia-Pacific Journal: The Rising Risk of a Hard Landing in China:
2009: CNN: China's hard landing - With exports shrinking and unemployment rising, China must find a way to recover
2011: Business Insider: A Chinese Hard Landing May Be Closer Than You Think
2011: Foreign Policy: China's hard landing
2011: Nouriel Roubini: China's Bad Growth Bet
2012: American Interest: More Dismal Economic News from China: Is a Hard Landing Coming?
2012: Business Insider: Chinese Hard Landing: Here's Why It's Finally Happening
2012: Financial Times: Economists weigh Chinese 'hard landing'
2013: Zero Hedge: Seven Reasons Why China Is Facing A Hard Landing
2014: CNBC: A hard landing in China: The risks in one graphic
2014: Harvard Business Review: Why China Can't Innovate
2015: Forbes: Congratulations, You Got Yourself A Chinese Hard Landing.
2015: The Diplomat: The End of CCP Rule and the Collapse of China
2015: Wall Street Journal: "The Coming Chinese Crackup"
2016: Economist Intelligence Unit: Hard landing looms for China
2017: National Interest: A Mountain of Debt: Is China's Economy Going To Crash
2017: International Journal of Economics and Finance: Will Rising Debt in China Lead to a Hard Landing?
2018: BBC: China's economic slowdown: How bad is it?
2018: Guardian: A Chinese recession is inevitable - don't think it won't affect you
2019: Forbes: How Close Is China To A Financial Crisis?
2019: Bloomberg: Forget the Trade War. China Is Already in Crisis
2019: The Diplomat: China Collapse
2020: Noema: Has China Peaked Already?

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There's another list more impressive than this one, but I gotta find it

Thinking back, this was probably done to discourage investment in China.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

Thinking back, this was probably done to discourage investment in China.

I wouldn't put it past them. This way Ray Dalio and other hedge fund managers get to profit handsomely, while the common investor gets left out.