Ladakh Flash Point

[Bright Sword]

Whats stopping China from unleashing these DEW on Indian troops this time? There is no DEW treaty yet. And India is not yet going nuts about this.

Nothing is stopping China from using DEW. There is no treaty. Which is why it was likely to be used. More media buzz from established news outlets a short while back. There are too many to post here from Australia, Canada, UK etc, The fact that India is forced to protest " Fake ! " is itself indicative something happened.
A sample:

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A back handed compliment to China: :

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[Temstar]

This just showed up on my youtube list, run down of the situation at the China-India border with our friend Commissar Jin. He reckons as winter comes the advantage to China will grow as the temperature falls because:

1. PLA logistics is performing very well, particularly the modular buildings that can maintain 15 degree C internal temperature while it's negative 50 degrees outside
2. India has more manpower deployed at the border, but man to man they have inferior equipment, combat capabilities and mobility relative to PLA
3. Indian logistics is inferior to the PLA, worsened by the fact that they have to supply more men than PLA

Yet in spite of the foreseeable hardship of winter India does not seem to want to disengage, thus PLA will have to maintain their position too. Jin foresees that India might run into some crisis on their side which they will surely blame on the PLA. Jin recommends the following

1. Intensify PLA deployment too, to maintain an overwhelming advantage against Indians
2. Sustain communication between the two sides, the talks should continue
3. China should be more transparent with information regarding this border dispute. At this time it seems most information released come from India, so even Chinese people watching the situation are hearing about the news from Indians and thus be vulnerable to disinformation campaign from India
4. As an addition point to point 3 above, China should be more forthcoming regarding the situation internationally, to gain the initiative in international public discourse

In the long term Jin believe the border issues will depend on the relative economic growth of the two countries. Yes India is growing its economy rapidly, but as long as China maintains an even quicker pace of growth than it will continue to be a minor problem.

And yes, he's show is literately called "Commissar Pinpoints".

 

[Sardaukar20]

Yes. Indeed the reported symptoms of not being able to stand and vomiting is more consistent with sonic weapons. Because this type of weapon affects the ears, and can induce vertigo, and subsequently nausea. A bad vertigo can collapse a standing person, and disorient enough to cause nausea.

So when the PLA blared Bollywood music to Indian troops sometime back. Was it the first stage of this sonic warfare? Then when Indian troops don't get the message, they turned up the heat and now the 'Bollywood music' starts to actually hurt. Lol...

Following up on my suggestion that that Chinese DEW weapon employed on Indian troops was indeed a sonic weapon. There's an article in Popular Mechanics last year describing alleged Chinese sonic weapons.

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The South China Morning Post,

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, says it has no moving parts. The Post further stated, “Professor Xie Xiujuan, lead scientist on the project, said the device was powered by a tube-shape vessel containing an inert gas. When heated, the gas particles vibrate and a deep, monotonous sound is emitted.”

This sound is likely

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, a category of sounds lower than 20 hertz that are inaudible to humans.

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, infrasound’s effect on the human inner ear includes “vertigo, imbalance, intolerable sensations, incapacitation, disorientation, nausea, vomiting, and bowel spasm; and resonances in inner organs, such as the heart."

The article is written by Kyle Mizokami. Not my favourite defence writer. So believe it if you want. Nevertheless, if the weapon indeed uses weaponized infrasound. Then that kind of weapon could have tremendous range. Because long wavelengths can travel quite far.

 

[Bright Sword]

In the long term Jin believe the border issues will depend on the relative economic growth of the two countries. Yes India is growing its economy rapidly, but as long as China maintains an even quicker pace of growth than it will continue to be a minor problem.

And yes, he's show is literately called "Commissar Pinpoints".

Slight disagreement with Professor Jin here.
The current regime in India is less focused on economics and welfare of its people than fascist religious fundamentalism and hysteria.
It diverts and focuses the people's anger at internal "enemies " ( Muslims) and external enemies which so far has been only Pakistan. China has only recently joined the ranks of India's enemies. Unlike Pakistan India's hostility towards China has a significant bonus in Western military and economic assistance. India is now projecting itself as a defender of "Freedom " ( its detention camps for its own citizens notwithstanding).
India's economy is not growing rapidly having shrunk significantly in 2020 and with record numbers of unemployed in 2019. Disastrous fiscal policies such as demonetization and tax laws will inhibit growth for decades.
India has hunger levels comparable to South Saharan Africa and has the world's largest population of slum dwellers, illiterates, blind, and lepers. With an appalling sanitary environment due to a culture of open defecation 1.3 billion Indians are exposed to disease and contaminated drinking water.

The risk of a war is real when used as an ultimate diversion.

 

[Gatekeeper]

According to the official Twitter account of “Current Intelligence Blog” on October 4, Eastern Time, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army used large sonic guns to “harass” Indian soldiers in response to the border conflict between China and India. The social media revealed that after a few hours of operation of a large sonic gun, high-powered sounds may cause nausea and vomiting. The social media simultaneously showed a small video in which a giant horn-shaped vehicle was installed on the top of a special military vehicle with driving The military equipment in the chamber rotates clockwise with the cab as the center and transmits huge sound waves.


Sonic weapons are divided into infrasound waves, strong sound waves, ultrasonic waves, noise waves, and clustered sound wave pulses, among which ultrasonic waves are the most lethal. The use of high-energy

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generate high-frequency sound waves, resulting in strong air pressure, causing people to produce physiological reactions such as blurred vision and nausea, thereby weakening the combat effectiveness of personnel or completely losing combat capabilities. This weapon can even break the glass of doors and windows, and it is unavoidable to hide in tanks and air-raid shelters. It can pass through 15 meters of concrete walls and tank steel plates. In severe cases, people will die directly.


The CCP virus is still raging. As of October 6, more than 35.4 million people have been infected and 1.04 million people have died. According to the analysis of the CCP’s evil government’s methods of poisoning the world, the methods used against Indian soldiers this time will be equally evil and cruel. The Indian military should pay more attention to it and make timely response plans to avoid subsequent deaths of Indian soldiers on the battlefield.

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That's very brave of you to actually take the time to read that, and still come out with your mind intact! Lol

 

[Bright Sword]

Sonic weapons have been around for a while. The German Schallkanone is one example.These did not work beyond 50 meters but they could have been improved since.

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[siegecrossbow]

Oh man I really enjoy how the Indian media strategy has been turned against them this time. Come up with a baseless claim, wait till it gains traction in international media, and then quote international media as reputable sources. The Indian media deserves trolling from Jin Canrong and Hu Xijin.

 

[Tsin Phan]

I heard that USA used a low power Directed Energy Weapon(DEW) systems weapons in Afghanistan in the past. But China probably developed a powerful Directed Energy Weapon(DEW) systems arms . World today knows that China have several hidden defence technologies, which western countries did not have.
Do you think India, Pakistan and west will be able to make similar Directed Energy Weapon(DEW) systems arms in near future ?

 

[Bright Sword]

I heard that USA used a low power Directed Energy Weapon(DEW) systems weapons in Afghanistan in the past. But China probably developed a powerful Directed Energy Weapon(DEW) systems arms . World today knows that China have several hidden defence technologies, which western countries did not have.
Do you think India, Pakistan and west will be able to make similar Directed Energy Weapon(DEW) systems arms in near future ?

Absolutely. DEW and non-lethal weapons are being developed. But the technology is not easy to test.

There are low tech non-lethal traditional weapons too. China used these weapons in the past.
Example: Burning chicken feathers with chillies to generate smoke that would induce throat irritation, and coughing was used by Korean naval ships. This was dependent of course on prevailing winds, but the smoke was heavy and tended to settle on water.
Were itching agents used?
There are myths of caterpillar hairs being floated in the wind which cause intense itching when landing on exposed skin.

 

[ougoah]

Interesting. I thought they would dismiss this Chinese DEW news as Chinese propaganda.

They do because they can't allow themselves to believe anything more than Chinese weapons don't work and are all fake.

In any case this is also confusing. Isn't the disengagement negotiations stalled right now because China wants Indian Troops to vacate occupied Chinese territories? So if he DEW is indeed a success, why are there still Indian troops occupying disputed areas?

The negotiations haven't changed. The Indians just called it something else like they usually do with word games. The negotiation conditions seem to be entirely the same as it was months ago that being, India should totally vacate occupied Chinese claimed territories first and then both can talk from that point. Of course India understandably has trouble believing China would negotiate something agreeable after such a move and so they won't budge from finger 2/3 and corresponding points north and south. They are currently still sitting on land China claims and the opposite is of course also true.

So CCP mouthpieces have basically confirmed (after India's whole ridiculous slew of fake news and misrepresented facts - disengagement) that India needs to vacate Chinese claims before talks can become more fruitful. So same old stalemate as it has been since May.

Whats stopping China from unleashing these DEW on Indian troops this time? There is no DEW treaty yet. And India is not yet going nuts about this.

Needlessly escalating. Push them far back enough and you may as well have been shooting. The Indians are adamant about at least staying put on finger 2/3 (not sure where the buffer region is anymore). Whatever forces them to move backwards without them agreeing to doing so, would result in escalation. Intruding into Chinese held parts may result in "justified" use of non-lethal force whatever the PLA may be using like when the IA went into Reqin and temporarily held a few mountaintops south of pangong lake. They left quickly and either they understood there's no point staying and also escalating or they were forced off by some PLA non-lethal weapons.