Did he cried like a baby at 21s? LOL
Hong-Kong Protests
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With the resignation from the opposition in legco, The government has a substantial majority for the first time since the handover and they should move fast to get everything done before another election. Making new laws and amending existing laws, which include even the basic laws itself. The two third requirement of the vote cannot be blocked by the opposition now.
Hell, if the government are brave enough (and CPC government supports it from the get go, since it's still risky though not as risky as before), they can imo try again to make the extradition law finally happen. Any laws that have the same pedigree as the extradition law to make sure hong kong is aligned with china would put the rioters and the rest of the traitors in a very difficult position. Do nothing and it will be completely over for them and future attempts to destabilize hong kong, but trying to do the same protests as last year will simply stick them with the NSC laws. From trying to pack the legislative branch with their 35+ strategy and ended up with shooting themselves in the foot, I want these people to realize how fuckin dumb they are by trying to do this symbolic attention-seeking move that achieves nothing but opportunity for us.
Hell, if the government are brave enough (and CPC government supports it from the get go, since it's still risky though not as risky as before), they can imo try again to make the extradition law finally happen. Any laws that have the same pedigree as the extradition law to make sure hong kong is aligned with china would put the rioters and the rest of the traitors in a very difficult position. Do nothing and it will be completely over for them and future attempts to destabilize hong kong, but trying to do the same protests as last year will simply stick them with the NSC laws. From trying to pack the legislative branch with their 35+ strategy and ended up with shooting themselves in the foot, I want these people to realize how fuckin dumb they are by trying to do this symbolic attention-seeking move that achieves nothing but opportunity for us.
That is why Taiwan should be taken back right now, rather than allowing foreign agents to further their propaganda of words that Taiwan is not part of the country.
Mr T
Senior Member
The HK government has always had a majority in LegCo. There's only a very limited area of laws that the pro-democracy parties have been able to block.
Why the rush? Are you concerned that even with all the new laws designed to muzzle the pro-democracy parties they might somehow win a majority? The CCP has just granted itself the power to remove any LegCo member without judicial oversight. There's no possibility now of the pro-democracy parties using a majority even if they got it, because they'd automatically have legislators fired.
If the HK government was seeking public approval, it could put forward a series of proposed changes to the law next year and let the HK people vote on them. Surely the HK government rules with consent and approval of the HK people, rather than seeks to control them.
Like what, removing the geographical constitencies and replacing them with CCP cadres? Ending freedom of speech/of the press?
It wouldn't make a difference if it did. The Chinese police can already pick up anyone they like and drive them over the border for prosecution. There's no judicial oversight, so as long as they say it's to do with the national security law they can do whatever they want.
When you say "pack" the legislative branch, you mean win an overwhelming majority of the popular vote from the HK people.
Winning a majority would have been very hard due to the functional constituencies being over-represented by pro-CCP groups. If the pro-democracy parties had won a majority, they would have needed at least 25 of the 35 geographical (directly elected) seats, if not 27. That would have probably needed upwards of 65% of the popular vote. That would have been a massive undertaking, and it would only have come about if there had been huge public discontent with Carrie Lam and the CCP.
Simply changing the law to make it impossible for the pro-democracy parties to operate effectively won't make the public like Lam or Xi any more than they currently do. I appreciate that you may not care what the HK public thinks, but given that people on this forum routinely boast that Xi and the CCP have overwhelming support from mainland Chinese, I would struggle to see the moral justification in silencing HK people when it comes to their own affairs. No Chinese person in their right minds would say that the opinions of Shanghai residents don't count on how Shanghai is run, nor would they say that Fujianese have an equal or greater right to decide policy for Bejing than Beijingers do.
But, hey, whatever floats your boat.
I'm sure Taiwanese would say you're welcome to try. You could lead the charge and take footage of yourself crossing the Taiwan strait in a fishing boat. Perhaps we can expect a Christmas video from you of that?
Sounds like a golden opportunity. Don't let it go to waste.
Oh you're clearly upset with my reply and the possibility of what might happen in the future for the oppositions in general. Good.
There are actually many things that the current government can do, especially with regard to the judicial branch of HK that mainly cause the problems with enforcing the natsec laws. Either by acquitting the rioters or giving a slap in the wrist kind of sentences, It is unfortunately as expected given how ridiculous it is that there is still foreign judges, mostly westerners, that are still deciding matters within chinese territory two decades after we regain control from the brits. For example just very recently some of you might remember that one incident where you see an old western journalist blocking the door so a mainland worker cannot enter the building he works on, causing him to be beaten by the rioters? yeah he's completely acquitted and walks free now. No nothing. This suggestion of mine is imo a better candidate that is more effective in solving the problems If the current legco doesn't want a repeat of the extradition law drama. Step by step we will cut off the leftovers from the british colonial era.
How dare you to even talk about 'judicial oversight' when the judicial system is as rotten as it is right now. Let's see how you'd feel if the reverse is merely proposed in UK or america; a rule allowing chinese citizens to be federal judges in america. There will be an uproar! In any case, we've won. You lost, and will be so in the future with more additional preventive measures that I suggested. It's high time that hong kong behaves like what a city dwelled with chinese and under the territory of china should be. All the 'shocking' measures that you see right now rationally should have been done right at July 1st, 1997. Too bad china is too weak back then. The idea that a territory should be unchanged after a transfer of government with such stark differences is ridiculous in the first place, and a blatant lie in reality. You can read the basic laws yourself detailing how these national security measures have to be taken once hong kong is a part of china.
Next step is to disqualify subversive foreign judges or let them resign en masse.
There is a method to completely solve the Hong Kong problem. That is to move all Hong Kong residents to the mainland. The traitors and their western boss will regret their repeated attempts to provoke China.
That is the most effective, but extreme. It will inflict much damage on China during the first period and the West will use it for anti-China propaganda. But it needs to be taken seriously, and amputating one finger to protect the rest of the hand is the right thing to do. China can see it as the last resort
That is the most effective, but extreme. It will inflict much damage on China during the first period and the West will use it for anti-China propaganda. But it needs to be taken seriously, and amputating one finger to protect the rest of the hand is the right thing to do. China can see it as the last resort
Part of the whole idea of "50 years unchanged" when the Sino-British Joint Declaration was signed is the idea that foreign judges, regardless if they're subversive or pro-Beijing, would "die out" or have retired by then.
You'd be surprised its happening already. A lot of people I went to school with have started buying property in Shenzhen and further up the province. My younger cousins will be attending secondary school in the Mainland, and in fact attending university in the Motherland is gradually becoming an option for Hong Kong students. In other words, the integration has already begun.
What happens then if a foreign judge dies today? Certainly shouldn't be replaced by another foreign Judge.