Hong-Kong Protests

[Dolcevita]

Those toothless sanctions from the US scare no one. China is the one who is now calling the shot and in charge.

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• Legislators unseated with immediate effect are Civic Party’s Alvin Yeung Ngok-kiu, Kwok Ka-ki and Dennis Kwok, alongside Kenneth Leung of the Professionals Guild
• Hong Kong government confirms lawmakers’ removal within minutes of NPCSC resoluti giving local authorities the power to unseat politicians

Four Hong Kong opposition lawmakers have been disqualified with immediate effect after China’s top legislative body passed a resolution giving local authorities the power to unseat filibustering politicians without having to go through the city’s courts.
The unseated legislators are the Civic Party’s Alvin Yeung Ngok-kiu, Kwok Ka-ki and Dennis Kwok, alongside Kenneth Leung of the Professionals Guild, who were earlier banned from running in the Legislative Council elections, before the polls were postponed until September next year.

A National People’s Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC) resolution revealed by the state-run Xinhua news agency on Wednesday stipulated that lawmakers would immediately lose their seats if they were ruled to have promoted or supported the notion of Hong Kong independence, refused to endorse the country’s resumption of sovereignty over the city, sought foreign forces to meddle in the city’s affairs or engaged in acts that jeopardise national security.



Opposition lawmakers say they will resign all at once if any one of them is unseated. Photo: Dickson Lee

Four Hong Kong opposition lawmakers have been disqualified with immediate effect after China’s top legislative body passed a resolution giving local authorities the power to unseat filibustering politicians without having to go through the city’s courts.
The unseated legislators are the Civic Party’s Alvin Yeung Ngok-kiu, Kwok Ka-ki and Dennis Kwok, alongside Kenneth Leung of the Professionals Guild, who were earlier banned from running in the Legislative Council elections, before the polls were postponed until September next year.

A National People’s Congress Standing Committee (NPCSC) resolution revealed by the state-run Xinhua news agency on Wednesday stipulated that lawmakers would immediately lose their seats if they were ruled to have promoted or supported the notion of Hong Kong independence, refused to endorse the country’s resumption of sovereignty over the city, sought foreign forces to meddle in the city’s affairs or engaged in acts that jeopardise national security.

Sweet and about time.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Well the Sino-British Declaration and Basic Law said otherwise (until 2047, of course). You know, China respecting agreements, being a trustworthy country and all that?

Now it seems that China will just ignore any agreements it's made if it no longer sees them as being beneficial. Of course, other countries could learn from that. Perhaps countries might take out loans with China and just not pay them back on the basis that the repayment terms were unfair.

"Other countries can learn from that"? Talk about mental gymnastics working overtime. Let's see, didn't US and UK broke all their promises. Let's start with the agreements with native Americans and work our way forward from there.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Well the Sino-British Declaration and Basic Law said otherwise (until 2047, of course). You know, China respecting agreements, being a trustworthy country and all that?

China wipes its ass with your "declaration" and there's nothing your kind can do about it. China will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whomever it wants and there's nothing your kind can do about it. And yes, China is a very trustworthy country: you can have the utmost trust that China will twist your arm out of its socket if you cross it.

Now it seems that China will just ignore any agreements it's made if it no longer sees them as being beneficial.

Exactly so. Problem?

As far as I can see, the only reason Beijing needs to be able to summarily dismiss HK legislators is if it recognises they haven't broken the National Security Law and therefore are not a security issue, but still wants to get rid of them because it's frustrated HK people keep voting them in.

Exactly so. Problem?

You don't like any of this? Gather up your navy and do something about it. Let's rumble.

 

[FangYuan]

You don't like any of this? Gather up your navy and do something about it. Let's rumble.

If China was an outdated country without any military might, what would the West do? They will immediately bomb China in the same way they did in the Middle East and divide China into several separatist zones. The problem is that China is very strong, so these cowardly hypocrites dare not use military force. They spend more money on media campaigns to attack China.

 

[Gatekeeper]

China wipes its ass with your "declaration" and there's nothing your kind can do about it. China will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whomever it wants and there's nothing your kind can do about it. And yes, China is a very trustworthy country: you can have the utmost trust that China will twist your arm out of its socket if you cross it.

Exactly so. Problem?

Exactly so. Problem?

You don't like any of this? Gather up your navy and do something about it. Let's rumble.

Our friend from the A-Team still thinks this is 1850s and the Brits can just send on their gun boats.

 

[Biscuits]

Indeed. The opinions of HK residents no longer matter. It doesn't matter if a candidate can somehow navigate the registration process without being labelled a "separatist" or "not respecting the Basic Law" and then get elected with 100% of the vote. The CCP can just say "don't like you" and immediately they will no longer be a lawmaker.

In some ways this is helpful. CCP apologists in Hong Kong can no longer pretend it's possible for critics of Beijing to participate in Hong Kong politics so long as they're "moderate". The mandate of HK legislators no longer comes from HK people but the CCP. The CCP can remove a legislator on a whim, and there's no judicial oversight. In that respect HK is now little different from mainland China, so people should stop pretending otherwise.

the opinions still matter in terms of running local issues?

of course national opinion matters more than local opinion. How do you run a country if local opinion matters more than the whole? Can the major of califonia decide on his own something rest of America and the President doesn't want? That's called a coup attempt and is criminal.

 

[Biscuits]

China wipes its ass with your "declaration" and there's nothing your kind can do about it. China will do whatever it wants, whenever it wants, to whomever it wants and there's nothing your kind can do about it. And yes, China is a very trustworthy country: you can have the utmost trust that China will twist your arm out of its socket if you cross it.

Exactly so. Problem?

Exactly so. Problem?

You don't like any of this? Gather up your navy and do something about it. Let's rumble.

The declaration is already defunct because Britain (and its ally US) violated it. According to the declaration UK is supposed to assist with all means the integration of HK after releasing it from occupation. Instead, UK has gathered its allies and attempted to occupy it back using covert and overt means.

Britain broke the deal first, which is why they don't want to discuss this with China since they know this argument doesn't matter. China didnt decide to break the agreement because its already non existent.

 

[Gatekeeper]

This is where our friend from the A-Team open his mouth without engaging brain first.
There's a saying when I was young and it stay me for ever:

"Remain silent and be thought of as a fool, or open your mouth, and have all doubts removed".

When the A-Team member proudly announced on here theses legislators have done nothing to threaten national security. He's either ignorant or economical with the truth.

These people elicit foreign help with legislature paper for crying out loud! This action only warrants sending over to the Chinese equivalent of Guantanamo bay or Xinjing non-existent labour camp. These condoms got off lightly.

 

[localizer]

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As Prince Charles sailed out of Hong Kong’s harbour in the early hours of July 1 1997, he lamented the symbolic end of British empire after 156 years of colonial rule in the city. “Whatever may be thought about colonisation nowadays, Hong Kong was a pretty remarkable example of how to do it well,” he wrote in his journal aboard the soon-to-be-decommissioned royal yacht Britannia. The British empire had ended long before that night. But in many respects, decolonisation in Hong Kong was not fully realised until July 1 2020, when Beijing unilaterally imposed a national security law on the territory, essentially outlawing all forms of dissent. The law has mostly achieved its short-term goal of quashing the biggest eruption of unrest on Chinese soil since the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests. The collateral damage to Hong Kong’s role as a global financial centre is hard to quantify, but is likely to be extensive. Beijing’s belated decolonisation — perhaps recolonisation is more apt — of the territory provides a fresh reminder of the UK’s much-diminished place in the world. The Chinese Communist party has made clear it has no intention of honouring the international treaty it signed with the UK in 1984, which promised a high degree of autonomy to Hong Kong for at least 50 years. The most important aspect of this affront to the former colonists is what it tells us about the kind of power a rising Chinese Communist party intends to be in the world. For all his anachronistic pomposity, Prince Charles was right about the UK’s role in Hong Kong’s success. To quote Chris Patten, the 28th and final governor of the territory, Britain provided the scaffolding — clean government, the rule of law and freedom of speech — that enabled the people of Hong Kong, most of them refugees from China, to ascend. These are the very things China’s current rulers blame for the turmoil of the past 18 months. The formerly free press is under assault, with broad but vague clauses in the new law outlawing “incitement” of crimes including the barely-defined “collusion with foreign forces”. Described by party cadres as a “sharp sword” hanging over the city, the law explicitly requires the education system to instil “love of the motherland” in young hearts. Politicisation of the relatively independent courts has begun, as Beijing and its agents pursue enemies and “unreliable” judges are sidelined. The Hong Kong administration has delayed elections and purged pro-democracy lawmakers. It has tied itself in knots trying to explain how the “separation of powers” between the judicial, executive and legislative branches of government does not exist in the city. As one member of the Chinese rubber-stamp parliament put it: “You can still go on dancing, you can still go horseracing, you can innovate, you can trade . . . but just stay away from [politics].” Last week’s scrapping of what would have been the world’s biggest initial public offering, of Ant Group, obliterates the assertion of optimistic financiers that nothing has changed in the city. The sweeping changes in the territory indicate that President Xi Jinping really does believe China is engaged in a bitter ideological struggle with the “extremely malicious”, “western” ideas of liberalism and democracy. For his party it makes sense to crush the things former colonists think made Hong Kong so successful. But that does not change the reality. More than two decades after the handover, the territory is administered by British-trained bureaucrats. Foreign financial firms dominate capital flows and one of the biggest landlords in central Hong Kong is the former opium merchant Jardine Matheson. Add to this the steady stream of criticism from local and international media, and the open rebellion that broke out on the streets last year, and it is easy to see why Beijing decided the time for recolonisation had come. The party of Mao Zedong once spoke of exporting revolution. Today’s party is intent on merely making the world safe for its brand of ethno-nationalist authoritarianism. After a dozen protesters set fire to a national flag outside the Chinese embassy in London in early October, party officials condemned their “abominable acts” of “secession and treason” for allegedly violating the new national security law. Since that law explicitly covers “crimes” committed anywhere on the planet, the embassy called on UK authorities to “bring the perpetrators to justice at an early date”. Less than 25 years after Prince Charles sailed out of Hong Kong harbour, China is now asserting its jurisdiction on British soil

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[Nobonita Barua]

Our friend from the A-Team still thinks this is 1850s and the Brits can just send on their gun boats.

Or them, the next audition participants for second sequel of Underground 6.