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machupicu

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Petrolicious88 said:
Why did bytedance agree to this sale? Does Zhang Yiming know what he’s doing. Was he charmed by the western investors that have stakes in Ticktock.
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China has the upperhand in this case, and for sure they will block it and just let tiktok die in the US mkt.
So far we have seen that all of Trump's moves have been countered and won by Huawei and China. Within months, Huawei will ditch android and all of its smartphones will use harmonyOS. A year or so ago, it was patient to first build the HMS ecosystem, and it is done, so independence day coming soon.

On semicon, I still believe that Tokyo Electron will be an important factor because they have stated they want to do lots of business in China..it was mentioned that of the 10 processes in making chips TE have equipments for 6 of them, likely overlapped with same capabilities of china domestic companies, so everything should proceed well with TE as a back-up?
 
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The news is constantly changing, but the latest is that oracle/walmart can take a minority stake of 12-20% of tik-tok global. Bytedance will still remain majority holder. Without knowing the full terms, this deal looks better than any of the previous strong - arm tactics threaten by trump or the deal offer by msft.
 
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Appix

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free_6ix9ine said:
It's not a rant. If you know anything about how Chinese people think, anything imported is automatically better than domestic products, doesnt matter if it's clothing, cars, electronics, chocolate, lithography machines, whatever. Why do you think Chinese people think that the same product bought overseas is better than buying it in China. That's why SMIC deserves to be sanctioned, I am sure that they will either figure out a way to continue producing 14nm chips by replacing equipment with domestic ones. Or another company will.

If they don't get sanctioned they will happily go down the route of shitting on domestic equipment makers and importing American equipment. So they can brag about 7nm or what ever to get more subsidies. THen they will get sanctioned and China will be back to square one with nothing. Might as well get sanctioned now so, domestic equipment makers have a chance of being utilized by SMIC.
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Damn, well said.
 
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s002wjh

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Appix said:
According to what I read on Twitter Oracle and Walmart will be in total control of Tiktok. Bad news. I really dislike the inaction of Beijing on this front. We are seeing the subjugation and forced sell of Tiktok at the hands of U.S. administration. That Bytedance entertains this idea and signs off is very damaging. This will only embolden Washington D.C. in the future and you cannot blame them.
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hmm according to here oracle/walmart is 20% share holder. i guess the $5B to US govt, entice trump to approved the deal? lol


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President Donald Trump said Saturday he has approved a deal between TikTok's parent company, ByteDance, and Oracle (
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on TikTok in US app stores.
The Commerce Department confirmed in a statement Saturday evening that it would delay — by one week — restrictions that were originally to take effect on Sunday.
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Trump said he approved, according to a person familiar with the matter.
Speaking to reporters, Trump said he approved the deal "in concept."

I have given the deal my blessing," Trump said. "If they get it done, that's great. If they don't, that's okay, too."
The deal will also include Wal-Mart (
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), Trump said, adding that "the security will be 100 percent. They'll be using separate clouds and very, very powerful security."
Trump said the deal will also include a $5 billion fund for US education, though he did not say which companies would be making the payment. Trump had previously expressed a desire for the companies to make a payment to the US Treasury, but was surprised when he was told such an arrangement would be illegal.
Trump's blessing comes hours before
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were set to take effect that would remove TikTok from US app stores, including those operated by Apple and Google. The White House declined to comment.
ByteDance will continue to be majority owner of TikTok under the agreement Trump said he approved, the person said.

That contradicts Trump's claim to reporters on Saturday that TikTok would be "totally controlled" by Walmart and Oracle, who will have up to a 20% share in TikTok, the person said.
TikTok confirmed in a statement that Oracle and Walmart will have a 20% share.
"As part of this proposal, Oracle will become our trusted technology provider, responsible for hosting all US user data and securing associated computer systems to ensure US national security requirements are fully satisfied," TikTok said. "We are currently working with Walmart on a commercial partnership as well. Both companies will take part in a TikTok Global pre-IPO financing round in which they can take up to a 20% cumulative stake in the company. We will also maintain and expand TikTok Global's headquarters in the US, while bringing 25,000 jobs across the country."
Trump also said that TikTok would be incorporated in Texas as a new company.
Oracle CEO Safra Catz said in a statement:
"As a part of this agreement, TikTok will run on the Oracle Cloud and Oracle will become a minority investor in TikTok Global," said Oracle CEO Safra Catz. "Oracle will quickly deploy, rapidly scale, and operate TikTok systems in the Oracle Cloud. We are a hundred percent confident in our ability to deliver a highly secure environment to TikTok and ensure data privacy to TikTok's American users, and users throughout the world. This greatly improved security and guaranteed privacy will enable the continued rapid growth of the TikTok user community to benefit all stakeholders."
Speaking to reporters, Trump offered high praise to Walmart and Oracle executives, including Oracle chairman Larry Ellison, a close political ally.
"You have the combination of the Walmart, that's obvious, and the high tech of Oracle, and the genius of the two leaders of those companies, okay?" Trump said.
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Hendrik_2000 said:
s002wjh
Chinese government has realized the vulnerability for along time and keep exhorting the Chinese FAB to support independence. but nobody listen They have to do it on their own by forming Tsinghua semiconductor and funding all the research of the Chinese academy But the fact is the semiconductor supply line is very wide ,government alone can do it by themselves unless the private company support it.

The did their best without all those Chinese academy of science effort in Semiconductor research the situation will be even more dire. Now at least they have the science and prototype running if not the production model. But it is matter of time

Unfortunately the Chinese company are blinded by their own short sightedness and a bit of naivety belieiving in all those bs about "win-win" deal with the west because many of their management went to school in the west
They just didn't read their country history
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My point exactly, SMIC is trying to pull the wool over our eyes by doing things like "7nm" to get a big headline news so they can get more subsidies. If there 7nm is made on US equipment what use it to Huawei or anyone else? WHAT makes SMIC any less useless than TSMC? I couldn't care if SMIC gets sanctioned. IF they did at least they will be forced to adopt domestic equipment and help Huawei.
 
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ansy1968

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to Skywatcher ,Wtan and other experts, Is this mean that its better than NVIDIA GPU Chips?Is these development a major boost, as we know CLOUD computing is a major craze right now and what node is this based on? cause we know ingenious FABS can only produce at the latest 14nm.

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Alibaba's Hanguang 800 AI processor has been put to use, delivering 4-11x better performance than GPUs
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Alibaba's Hanguang 800 AI processor has been put to use, delivering 4-11x better performance than GPUs-cnTechPost

A year ago, Alibaba unveiled its first AI chip, the Hanguang 800, the most powerful AI reasoning chip at the time. The company recently shared an update on the Hanguang 800's progress nearly a year after its launch.

Long Xin, director of heterogeneous computing product development at Aliyun (Alibaba Cloud) said that Hanguang 800 NPU instances are now officially available for external service and can be purchased on Aliyun instances without whitelisting.

Alibaba's Hanguang 800 AI processor has been put to use, delivering 4-11x better performance than GPUs-cnTechPost

Hanguang 800 is not available to the public and its performance is exported through Aliyun.
It supports up to 8-core NPU and 96-core vCPU, 384G memory, network bandwidth up to 30Gbit/s, mainly for data center CNN type model inference acceleration, services including city brain, image video audit, Long Xin said.



Long Xin said the Hanguang 800 features three aspects of hardware, including:

Deep optimization of CNNs and visual class algorithms.
Accelerated convolution and matrix multiplication with support for inverse convolution, hole convolution, 3D convolution, interpolation, and ROI.


Optimization for ResNet-50, SSD/DSSD, Faster-RCNN, Mask-RCNN, DeepLab, and other models.

High energy efficiency and low latency.
High density compute and storage, greatly reducing I/O requirements.

Soft-hard synergy supports sparse compression of weights and quantitative compression of computations.
The instruction set supports programmable model extensions.


In addition to INT8/INT16 quantization acceleration, it also covers FP16/BFP16 vector calculations that directly accelerate various ReLu, Sigmoid, Tanh, etc., as well as supporting new activation functions in the future.


Long Xin emphasized that Hanguang 800's applications are mainly on the data center and large end, focusing on CNN-like model inference acceleration, which can be extended to other DNN models. Currently, there are 4-11 times performance improvement compared to GPU in specific applications.

Long Xin said that in pedestrian detection application, 4-core Hanguang 800 can support 100-channel video, which is 4 times better than the mainstream GPU 25-channel inference performance.
In-vehicle detection, 4-core Hanguang 800 can support 85 video channels, which is 8.5 times better than the mainstream GPU supporting 10 channels of reasoning performance.
In the ResNet50 V2 model for content recognition applications such as live streaming, short videos, and product information streams, the Hanguang 800 (4-core) can reach a frame rate of 20,000 FPS, which is 11 times faster than the 1800 FPS performance of mainstream inference GPUs.


In the Inception V4 model, Hanguang 800 (4-core) can process frame rate up to 5000 FPS, which is 10.8 times higher than the 460 FPS performance acceleration ratio of mainstream inferred GPU.
 
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