US tells India to start some shit, indian finds out Trump ain't rly interested in the end, India regrets.
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US tells India to start some shit, indian finds out Trump ain't rly interested in the end, India regrets.
I don't think there is US involvement in this. India's own nationalist sentiments and right wing leadership might've been the bigger factor.
China wasn't in a good position to be labeled the aggressor. There isn't enough motive here (especially considering coronavirus troubles and trade war and Chinese tone on multilateralism). That might've changed now (as the coronavirus has been brought under control).
India however is different. While I don't think there never existed an economic perspective for India (as I'd rate it subpar), there exists lots of nationalist incentive. Maybe India thought they could wring control of Aksai Chin from a "struggling and cornered" China.
US likes all this and would gladly shower support and grab popcorn.
It's just like Hongkong I think, US deep state is involved somewhere, but Trump ends up not interested.
Makes sense to start rallying every anti-China group:
Uyghur terrorists
Falungong terrorists
Taiwan terrorists
HK terrorists
Tibetans owned by India
Trump tried to persuade Russia, but Russia has their own thing going on.
Don't forget the Vietnam bullshit during Trade war.
The india narrative fits US playbook. The encirclement is complete.
Nothing is over. Jaishankar was the architect of dragging India into the quad. He has been instrumental in steering India's anti-China foreign policy. I would not ever, ever trust this snake!
What the leaders of India are doing now is just to avoid a direct war with China. I think they have made their calculations and saw that despite all their 2020 troubles, China is far from defeatable.
If India does indeed deescalate, do not assume it is over. Their ill intention towards China is still very much alive. I expect them to transition from direct confrontation to covert activities.
India in all likelyhood is going to play the Tibet card. There are many exiled Tibetans in India who have no career opportunities and suffer racial prejudices in India. This fresh wave of "Free Tibet" fever had just given them their opportunity to shine. Many of these people are raring to have a go on China now. Useful recruits for conducting terrorism on the PLA and in Tibet. China need to keep its eyes open. India has a proven history of backstabbing.
It's a shame that these separatist traitors in Taiwan and Hong Kong who are more than willing to jump on this "Free Tibet" bandwagon. Tsai's DPP goons are supportive of India and "Free Tibet" against China. While SCMP is writing trash about the so called "Tibetan struggle vs China", willing to even jump on India's side.
It shows that nothing is off-limits for these traitors these days. They are fully in bed with their US-CIA masters. There was never any "free will" to begin with.
Expect this "Free Tibet" fever to continue raging for some time. Its afterall a popular "old song" for the anti-China community. And it fits very well with the overall anti-China campaign today.
Its just an announcement, nothing good is happening yet. For China, any dealings these days with BJP India must follow the Mike Pompeo mantra: "distrust and verify".
Now it remains to be seen what the newly discussed disengagement process will entail. Whether PLA will return to old positions and both sides resume old patrol patterns. I hope not since China has always remained firm on the claim but allowed India to continue ridiculously intrusive patrols since the 1970s. Can understand it back then since China never wanted this issue to erupt back in the 20th century but they should honestly stand firm on the settled claim now.
The PLA just need to minimise Indian intrusions now as the border is unilaterally settled and India will not attack since they haven't attacked for months, it's highly unlikely they intend to. The issue with this is India will not formally settled the border and will always reserve the intention to attack and take it back and probably further into Tibet if they ever get the strength to do this. If China ever finds itself in a war with the US, the Indians will surely pile on and attack then.
The dilemma for the CCP is that it has made this move and it's now been presented and even admitted by bhakts that China has unilaterally taken its claims. It's a move that cannot be backed out of without losing a lot of face and receive a lot of moronic bhakt ridicule. But it's also quite an untenable position because India will decide when to fight. It could be next year, it could be 20 years from now. If China and the US ever go to war, India may choose the best moment to attack at least up to their claimed borderlines. The initiative is no longer with the CCP and PLA while China also set the precedent of unilateral military moves to settled the border. So China can't complain when India does the same.
This is quite a predictable outcome so my guess is the CCP ought to be doing something to reverse India's attitude and failing this, to destroy India's ability to fight back in the medium to long term. This is all great news to Pakistan as it now definitely has China's full support because a stronger Pakistan with equal or greater enmity with India is in China's greatest interests. If anything really happens in the future, China will want a two front war with Pakistan involved in attacking India from its entire western land border.
The PLA just need to minimise Indian intrusions now as the border is unilaterally settled and India will not attack since they haven't attacked for months, it's highly unlikely they intend to. The issue with this is India will not formally settled the border and will always reserve the intention to attack and take it back and probably further into Tibet if they ever get the strength to do this. If China ever finds itself in a war with the US, the Indians will surely pile on and attack then.
The dilemma for the CCP is that it has made this move and it's now been presented and even admitted by bhakts that China has unilaterally taken its claims. It's a move that cannot be backed out of without losing a lot of face and receive a lot of moronic bhakt ridicule. But it's also quite an untenable position because India will decide when to fight. It could be next year, it could be 20 years from now. If China and the US ever go to war, India may choose the best moment to attack at least up to their claimed borderlines. The initiative is no longer with the CCP and PLA while China also set the precedent of unilateral military moves to settled the border. So China can't complain when India does the same.
This is quite a predictable outcome so my guess is the CCP ought to be doing something to reverse India's attitude and failing this, to destroy India's ability to fight back in the medium to long term. This is all great news to Pakistan as it now definitely has China's full support because a stronger Pakistan with equal or greater enmity with India is in China's greatest interests. If anything really happens in the future, China will want a two front war with Pakistan involved in attacking India from its entire western land border.
And before comments saying China was pushed into acting unilaterally with its military because of ongoing Indian intrusions into what it considers its own territory. Well this is of course true and the move pushed further by India's threatening of CPEC and BRI by removing Kashmiri autonomy. It's also an age where China is many times stronger than India as opposed to being roughly equal to India back in the 1960s. China's military ability is much more than "many times stronger" than India now as well. Which is why both sides understand before this even started that there will be no actual war breaking out.
The question really is will China use these latest highest ranking talks as a way to politically maneuver out of this situation. If it can get some guarantee from India on Kashmir and no further intrusions, I think there is actually some decent chance that China pulls the PLA back to pre-2020 positions and patterns with patrols up to China's claim lines. Will India be allowed to patrol up to their claims? Not too sure on that one. Maybe details to discuss for those in the talks.
The question really is will China use these latest highest ranking talks as a way to politically maneuver out of this situation. If it can get some guarantee from India on Kashmir and no further intrusions, I think there is actually some decent chance that China pulls the PLA back to pre-2020 positions and patterns with patrols up to China's claim lines. Will India be allowed to patrol up to their claims? Not too sure on that one. Maybe details to discuss for those in the talks.
We never lost 1000 sq km of territory. In Google Earth that particular area in Depsang (PP10-PP13) lies on Chinese side of LAC (as marked in Google Earth). Hence it proves it was maximalist claims by India to come out better during talks.
Those areas are on Chinese side indeed. BUT they are claimed by India. I'm not sure why this issue is still confusing some people. Both sides have overlapping claims in the disputed region. As things currently are, China has unilaterally moved up to their claimed lines according to what is rumoured. Of course this is still totally unclear how far China's gone but the consensus on both sides is that China has cut off India from accessing the total depth of India's original claimed lines. The most obvious proof is PLA presence and camps at up to finger 4 - occupying just east of finger 4's point which is China's side according to China and part of India according to India. Northern positions are less obvious but throughout the last few months there is evidence PLA has occupied positions according to China's version of border.
This is where the "1000 km^2 loss" comes from. There is no way for us to know for sure how much the actual "loss" is or indeed if there is any "loss". According to China, India hasn't lost any territory because those lands are China's to begin with. India doesn't have any official line on this. Modi initially said there is no intrusion. Which is why many Chinese official statements took Modi's statement and ran with it, agreeing with him that PLA is indeed not in Indian land.
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