Ladakh Flash Point
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I am very pro Chinese. The only reason I argue for China to be friendly here, is because this forum is filled with Chinese nationalists. On my accounts on Western social media sites I push the PRC perspective. My only goal is that each side can see and appreciate the other side more.
manqiangrexue
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Really? India tries a land-grab but fails, losing 20 soldiers and China's supposed to let them off the hook? What is this, one free shot for everyone? LOL If anyone takes a shot at China, they should know, they risk their territory and their lives. No freebies or do-overs LOL
The current situation of your menstrual cycle is irrelevant.
They are purposefully keeping this dispute open to show Indians that you can't try to steal Chinese territory, fail, then whistle as you sweep it under the rug.
Look, you can insist all you want where your heart and intentions lay, but the consensus is that we Chinese don't want you on our team. You always drop the ball, pass it to the other team, trip/block your own teammates, and chuck shots before you're even at half court, dribble in the wrong direction, etc... We'd much rather play one man short than have a person like you who claims to be with us. Please, go be pro-Indian/USA.
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@gadgetcool5
do you really think Chinese are a monolith that doesn’t consider alternate views?
do you really think Chinese are a monolith that doesn’t consider alternate views?
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Shukla's article is far more realistic than how Indian media has often represented the picture (though it could all be spun fiction). Bhakts are more concerned about their strength and strongman image than anything else and so they decry people like Shukla and Sawhney since they aren't giving the bhakts and their halfwit leader as much face as they would like. However Shukla and Sawhney are probably not Chinese paid agents or whatever the excuses are. Why would they be so vehemently anti-CCP and continue to present the Chinese side as the aggressor etc. Shukla certainly makes India the victim and China the unnecessarily aggressive villain in this recount. They would be Pakistani agents in this fiction more than they are CCP agents. And certainly I'm not saying they are anything more than genuinely patriotic Indians with a level head and no inclination for self delusion like the bhakts are.
That being said, while Sawhney avoid politicising this issue as much as he can (to the great respect of many), Shukla nearly always politicise the Ladakh crisis and so he should since it is a problem of politics! But Shukla's portrayal at least in yet another piece of literature empathises only with India's side and claims. He ignores the fact that China considers the LAC to be along a different set of lines to the Indians and so there will always be the sense of "being invaded" by one group so 2020 "transgressions by the PLA" is on the Chinese side a response to continuous transgressions by the IA performed with increasing confidence and aggression since 2017.
So when @gadgetcool5 wants to "see things from the other side" why is it that Indians and westerners can NEVER do this? Chinese see things from the other side wayyyyyy too often and should start doing what the west does but it's still nowhere near as genuinely aggressive and violent. Again if the US were in China's position they would have "liberated" New Delhi already and created millions of casualties. I lament how often the Chinese are portrayed as the aggressor when we are often the victims. Why can't Indians understand the perception of LAC differs and like mentioned so often on the internet by now, the Chinese have only gone up to the Chinese claimed lines and still backed off a kilometer at least. The Indians claim the entirety of this stretch of disputed no man's land and despite better military options, PLA and CCP have not taken more than they have claimed since the beginning of the nation of India. British demarcated lines along the Nepal Bhutan side is worse because the old Empire's evils still cause friction. Where the f is Indian empathy and understanding?? They're full of "f*ck the Ch*nks!" while burning Chinese flags. "Let's rape and blow them apart"... A great bunch of reasonable people we should pay extra effort to satisfy. They're honestly the same as the old imperialists while pointing fingers at China. The attitude of superiority in Hindutva is strong but all without any substance. Anyway they're too far gone and it is what it is now.
Chinese people and leaders need to get aware of how hateful and empty of humility the world is. Indians think they are superior people with superior values and culture. They'll just dismiss all reason and attempts at de-escalations with "ch*nk virus" and "small short chinis" this and that because they're all "chini experts". It would be easier to reason and get along with a genuine Nazi skinhead than it would be with a bhakt. Luckily for China though, India only carries delusions of grandeur as opposed to any real military and industrial/economic strength. This may change in the future but their attitudes almost certainly wouldn't seeing as the motivations for their ways seem to stem from some deeply rooted insecurities from a long time of victimhood, none of which was due to Chinese peoples or the CCP.
That being said, while Sawhney avoid politicising this issue as much as he can (to the great respect of many), Shukla nearly always politicise the Ladakh crisis and so he should since it is a problem of politics! But Shukla's portrayal at least in yet another piece of literature empathises only with India's side and claims. He ignores the fact that China considers the LAC to be along a different set of lines to the Indians and so there will always be the sense of "being invaded" by one group so 2020 "transgressions by the PLA" is on the Chinese side a response to continuous transgressions by the IA performed with increasing confidence and aggression since 2017.
So when @gadgetcool5 wants to "see things from the other side" why is it that Indians and westerners can NEVER do this? Chinese see things from the other side wayyyyyy too often and should start doing what the west does but it's still nowhere near as genuinely aggressive and violent. Again if the US were in China's position they would have "liberated" New Delhi already and created millions of casualties. I lament how often the Chinese are portrayed as the aggressor when we are often the victims. Why can't Indians understand the perception of LAC differs and like mentioned so often on the internet by now, the Chinese have only gone up to the Chinese claimed lines and still backed off a kilometer at least. The Indians claim the entirety of this stretch of disputed no man's land and despite better military options, PLA and CCP have not taken more than they have claimed since the beginning of the nation of India. British demarcated lines along the Nepal Bhutan side is worse because the old Empire's evils still cause friction. Where the f is Indian empathy and understanding?? They're full of "f*ck the Ch*nks!" while burning Chinese flags. "Let's rape and blow them apart"... A great bunch of reasonable people we should pay extra effort to satisfy. They're honestly the same as the old imperialists while pointing fingers at China. The attitude of superiority in Hindutva is strong but all without any substance. Anyway they're too far gone and it is what it is now.
Chinese people and leaders need to get aware of how hateful and empty of humility the world is. Indians think they are superior people with superior values and culture. They'll just dismiss all reason and attempts at de-escalations with "ch*nk virus" and "small short chinis" this and that because they're all "chini experts". It would be easier to reason and get along with a genuine Nazi skinhead than it would be with a bhakt. Luckily for China though, India only carries delusions of grandeur as opposed to any real military and industrial/economic strength. This may change in the future but their attitudes almost certainly wouldn't seeing as the motivations for their ways seem to stem from some deeply rooted insecurities from a long time of victimhood, none of which was due to Chinese peoples or the CCP.
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1) Why does it always have to be teams? Why can't the USA/India/China get along? The Chinese foreign ministry has the same position as me, and so does Xi Jinping! So don't say just because I don't want bad relations that I dribble in the other direction.
2) You said: "Again if the US were in China's position they would have "liberated" New Delhi already and created millions of casualties."
Why can't you see this is objectively wrong? The US has never attacked another nuclear power.
3) You said: " Why can't Indians understand the perception of LAC differs and like mentioned so often on the internet by now, the Chinese have only gone up to the Chinese claimed lines and still backed off a kilometer at least. "
Well the solution to that would be to demarcate the LAC wouldn't it? But that's just what some Indian commentators propose yet the Chinese ambassador rejects.
2) You said: "Again if the US were in China's position they would have "liberated" New Delhi already and created millions of casualties."
Why can't you see this is objectively wrong? The US has never attacked another nuclear power.
3) You said: " Why can't Indians understand the perception of LAC differs and like mentioned so often on the internet by now, the Chinese have only gone up to the Chinese claimed lines and still backed off a kilometer at least. "
Well the solution to that would be to demarcate the LAC wouldn't it? But that's just what some Indian commentators propose yet the Chinese ambassador rejects.
You guys forget that Tidal has multiple personality disorder so do not discount this posibility.
Blame the British, Indians and Chinese were fine for thousands of years
It’s India’s fault for not settling Aksai Chin and Arunachal Pradesh when it was up for exchange. Now Indians risk losing much more.
I guarantee you China won’t just stop after grabbing all the disputed lands. A high risk war needs high rewards.
China needs a corridor along the base of the himalayas to Pakistan.
As far as Satellite image show, there is no Indian structure across China's claim line though. There is something more going on.
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