Hong-Kong Protests

Mr T

Senior Member
The point was already missed when he said they are not barred from running, but are barred from actually taking office.

Except that Sinn Fein still reserve the right to take the oath and their seats at any time. Their failure to take the oath has not stopped them from doing so in the future.

Whereas in Hong Kong, the Opposition legislators were stopped from retaking it after the CCP complained, and some legislators who had already correctly re-taken the oath before the CCP's intervention were ejected from LegCo.

The difference is quite obvious to any reasonable person.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
Following on from the completely reasonable delay of the elections for a year,
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that LegCo's term might be extended for a year, but that it was up to Beijing. Well I think we know what Beijing will say, Lam doesn't do anything these days without instructions from Big Papa Bear.

I'm sure that this period will absolutely not be used to bring in legislation to foster pro-CCP propaganda in Hong Kong, further restrict the activities of the media, give time to prosecute Opposition politicians under the national security legislation for being a thorn in the CCP's side, or otherwise ban politicial parties/politicians for daring to become popular and challenge the pro-CCP establishment in HK.

Great times ahead!
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Following on from the completely reasonable delay of the elections for a year,
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that LegCo's term might be extended for a year, but that it was up to Beijing. Well I think we know what Beijing will say, Lam doesn't do anything these days without instructions from Big Papa Bear.

I'm sure that this period will absolutely not be used to bring in legislation to foster pro-CCP propaganda in Hong Kong, further restrict the activities of the media, give time to prosecute Opposition politicians under the national security legislation for being a thorn in the CCP's side, or otherwise ban politicial parties/politicians for daring to become popular and challenge the pro-CCP establishment in HK.
It's so cute! You think you're saying negative things but everything you're saying is so positive. It's like listening to your critics complain that you're too good at everything! Do go on!
Great times ahead!
For warm-blooded Chinese, oh yeah, you know it.
 

KYli

Brigadier
It is interested that they disqualified 12 candidates before announcing the postponement.
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Hong Kong postpones legislative elections for a year over coronavirus fears

Hong Kong (CNN)Hong Kong will postpone legislative elections due to be held in September by one year because of the coronavirus outbreak, the city's leader said Friday.

In a news conference, Hong Kong's Chief Executive Carrie Lam said the move to postpone the Legislative Council elections, slated for September 6, was the most difficult decision she had made in the last seven months. She added that she had the support of the Chinese central government in making this decision.

Lam said the delay was needed to protect public health and guarantee fairness in the election.

Infections from the virus have quickly risen in recent weeks, after falling to zero daily transmissions in June, and health officials have warned of a potential crisis if it is not brought under control.

"The new wave of epidemics may take several weeks or even longer. Even if the previous experience in April or May, even if the epidemic stabilizes, the society will take some time to recover. Experts say unless it is immediate that they develop and supply effective vaccines, otherwise a winter outbreak is very likely to occur by the end of the year," said Lam.

She invoked a colonial-era emergency regulations ordinance to postpone the local elections.
Under the Basic Law -- Hong Kong's mini constitution -- Legislative Council terms are limited to four years. Lam said she has therefore reached out to the Central People's Government for guidance as to how to deal with this one-year "vacuum." She said Beijing will make a submission to the National People's Congress standing committee for a decision.
Lam said that while it is not up to her, she believes a logical solution would be to allow the current Legislative Council to continue for the next year.

Some pro-democracy activists including Joshua Wong have claimed the government is using the pandemic as an excuse to indefinitely postpone a crucial election for Hong Kong.

They have accused the government of wanting to avoid a potential loss following China's imposition of a new national security law on the city, banning secession, subversion, terrorism and collusion with foreign forces.
The democratic camp had set its sights on winning a majority in the 70-member Legislative Council polls this September.

Opposition parties had aimed to ride a wave of discontent with the government to a historic victory in the semi-democratic legislature, where just under half the seats are controlled by so-called functional constituencies, which represent business and society groups and are typically pro government.

A recent primary election designed to narrow down the number of pro-democracy opposition candidates attracted more than 600,000 votes, far more than the 170,000 or so organizers were hoping for. The turnout attracted the ire of Beijing, however, which suggested the vote was illegally interfering with the upcoming poll.

Last year, pro-democracy candidates won a landslide victory in local council elections. A similar result in the legislative council could put them in a position to force a constitutional crisis by blocking the budget and pressuring Lam to resign. Both the Chinese and Hong Kong governments have suggested such a plan could be illegal under the new national security law.
This week, a dozen pro-democracy candidates including Wong were barred from standing for election.
In a statement, the Hong Kong government said it supported the decisions by returning officers to "invalidate 12 nominees for this year's Legislative Council (LegCo) General Election."

It said the candidates had been barred on the grounds that they would not uphold the Basic Law, Hong Kong's de facto constitution, and suggested more could be disqualified in future.
The government said it "respects and safeguards the lawful rights of Hong Kong people, including the right to vote and the right to stand for elections."

Opposition parties had aimed to ride a wave of discontent with the government to a historic victory in the semi-democratic legislature, where just under half the seats are controlled by so-called functional constituencies, which represent business and society groups and are typically pro government.

A recent primary election designed to narrow down the number of pro-democracy opposition candidates attracted more than 600,000 votes, far more than the 170,000 or so organizers were hoping for. The turnout attracted the ire of Beijing, however, which suggested the vote was illegally interfering with the upcoming poll.

Last year, pro-democracy candidates won a landslide victory in local council elections. A similar result in the legislative council could put them in a position to force a constitutional crisis by blocking the budget and pressuring Lam to resign. Both the Chinese and Hong Kong governments have suggested such a plan could be illegal under the new national security law.

This week, a dozen pro-democracy candidates including Wong were barred from standing for election.
In a statement, the Hong Kong government said it supported the decisions by returning officers to "invalidate 12 nominees for this year's Legislative Council (LegCo) General Election."

It said the candidates had been barred on the grounds that they would not uphold the Basic Law, Hong Kong's de facto constitution, and suggested more could be disqualified in future.
The government said it "respects and safeguards the lawful rights of Hong Kong people, including the right to vote and the right to stand for elections."
 

Mr T

Senior Member
It is interested that they disqualified 12 candidates before announcing the postponement.

If Beijing extends LegCo's term by a year, then the HK government may use the disqualifications as an excuse to strip the pro-democracy politicians that were also sitting members in LegCo of their seats, making it even easier for the HK government to pass legislation. Not that I'm sure that would be legal, but if Lam is just using her emergency powers she can probably do anything she wants. It's not like she's going to be prosecuted for misuse of her powers. :D
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
The point was already missed when he said they are not barred from running, but are barred from actually taking office.

“The mall is totally open, but all the stores are closed”

Not only that, if you go back a number of pages ago, “oath taking is not a big deal, CCP overstepped the boundaries when they intervened on the oath taking...”

Yeah. Fantastic isn't he, at least he's given us all a good laugh. Look at his attempted answer to @Nutrient . I'm sure Nutrient mentioned FOREIGN money and corruption is because the money is foreign (ie: NED, CIA etc.) And it is to do with the input side of finance. Somehow he translated in his head as something to do output side, as in spending limits. Lol.

How can you have a debate when he only sees and hear what he wants to see and hear!

Here's a video from a vintage British comedy about British politicians in avoiding answering questions. It just remind me so much of..... Our friend.

 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
If Beijing extends LegCo's term by a year, then the HK government may use the disqualifications as an excuse to strip the pro-democracy politicians that were also sitting members in LegCo of their seats, making it even easier for the HK government to pass legislation. Not that I'm sure that would be legal, but if Lam is just using her emergency powers she can probably do anything she wants. It's not like she's going to be prosecuted for misuse of her powers. :D
As I said before prior the handover Hongkong has no say whatsoever in running the government or appointing chief executive officer. They have better deal than british colonial power but they abused the privilege.

You see freedom come with responsibility but sadly honkie only know the first part and disregard the 2nd part. With constant rioting, demonstration, burning the subway station, Vandalizing the substation, store, beating people disrupting traffic, they lost their privilege to be treated as an adult now go back to kinder garden time They have to be told what to do and lost the privilege to decide for themselves. That is what they want that is what they get
 
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Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
Except that Sinn Fein still reserve the right to take the oath and their seats at any time. Their failure to take the oath has not stopped them from doing so in the future.

Whereas in Hong Kong, the Opposition legislators were stopped from retaking it after the CCP complained, and some legislators who had already correctly re-taken the oath before the CCP's intervention were ejected from LegCo.

The difference is quite obvious to any reasonable person.

No the difference is quite obvious to any sane reasonable person. If you have no respect for the rule is law. Oath taking is part of that process. Hong Kong and China or any other country reserves the right not to let you re-read it again. Just because other country does it. It doesn't mean Hong Kong is less democratic.

Just as USA have death penalty and other country don't, it doesn't mean USA is more barbarian.

Respecting the law, especially when you're the law maker, one would thought that's the very least basic things that's required. And if you can't do the least basic thing, then there's not much point prolonging the agony.
 

Gatekeeper

Brigadier
Registered Member
As I said before prior the handover Hongkong has no say whatsoever in running the government or appointing chief executive officer. They have better deal than british colonial power but they abused the privilege.

You see freedom come with responsibility but sadly honkie only know the first part and disregard the 2nd part. With constant rioting, demonstration, burning the subway station, Vandalizing the substation, store, beating people disrupting traffic, they lost their privilege to be treated as an adult now go back to kinder garden time They have to be told what to do and lost the privilege to decide for themselves. That is what they want that is what they get

Yeah, under colonial rule according to Mr T's post a few pages back. It was the distant between UK and Hong Kong that makes it difficult to implement democracy to their colonial subject! Thus it wasn't the British fault. It was the sheer distant. Bowowow
 

Nutrient

Junior Member
Registered Member
One more reply ....

Hong Kong has spending limits for elections. If pro-democracy candidates were accused of spending over the limit they could be prosecuted and have their election invalidated.

As we all know, the corrupt, US-paid candidates would get saturation coverage from the equally corrupt Hong Kong media (also probably paid by the US). Therefore, any election with these candidates would not reflect the true feelings of Hong Kongers. Which is why the candidates need to be banned -- ideally, all corrupt candidates would be banned.


Let's not pretend that the HK government would be reluctant to take action given all it has done to frustrate the Opposition in the past.

Let's not pretend that the US isn't worried that it will have a harder time corrupting Hong Kong's elections from now on.
 
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