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Indian ex-military and politicians are hilarious headless chickens busily bumping into each other with their delusions and propaganda. BS Dhanoa surely has been invited by PLAAF many times to thoroughly investigate and fly the J-20. LOL... This is the same imcompetent lying clown who was fired because he lost his fight to a couple of JF-17s and vintage F-16s :rolleyes: and wants to take on J-20s which is already in service in even greater numbers than the PAF sent fighters to meet their IAF. I doubt this humiliated and defeated moron has even flown a Rafale or even read through the Dassault sales brochure :D

Rafales in IAF will be lucky to be able to counter J-10Cs without being thoroughly molested in the electromagnetic battlespace. They can shout SPECTRA all they want without any real understanding of what it is and is capable of. Not going to change reality if they find the guts to actually fight. As things stand, they've literally given up about half of their old claims and those territories and borders are now settled according to Chinese claims. China could spend 90% of its entire ability fighting off the US and still hold the Indians down with the remaining forces. If things ever go that way, the only Indian victory will be more lies and propaganda similar in vein to the 5 no 11 no 40 no 110 PLA losses and PLA "surrenders"/"retreats". Fake and misrepresented victories are all Indians are truly capable of while they shout about superpower 2012/2020 status while living on Earth's greatest dysfunctional democratic slum with daily lynchings and mob beatings.
 
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"the brilliant air tactician"

"capacity and capability to bring the fight to Han China, way beyond occupied Tibet and Xinjiang."

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Oh dear. I guess India "wins"... again... :rolleyes:

China certainly can't afford to spend over 200 ballistic missiles per day on just a single IAF airfield during the most critical period of any fighting. lol that would be so out of the question :eek: and an impossibility. Ignore the fact that half (all) of these airfields are within range of PLA artillery shells not just most of PLA's most basic rockets. The PLA can send thousands per day and make sure those airfields are beyond even India's legendary quick and amazing airfield repairing skills. :p LOL I bet if anything really happens, the Indians wouldn't even be able to repair a single crater within a week let alone a few hours. It's a freakin joke. I don't like underestimating people but Indians and their lies and exaggerations of their measly abilities are something else.

I guess the PLA doesn't exist and US think tanks have never gotten anything wrong before. So I suppose the PLAAF will just have to shoot those IAF fighters down the conventional way. At worst, the PLAAF will be at a numerical disadvantage with IAF outnumbering PLAAF possibly 2 to 1 at most. Su-30MKI and Mirage 2000 with french weapons are definitely the most capable fighters they can send. Rafale dreams are a year or so away from genuine effectiveness. I don't get why these morons are so convinced a month or so of familiarising and training on Rafales is enough time and experience for even the best of IAF pilots to develop integrated battle strategies and flying tactics. Maybe if those Rafales are sent up against J-7s.

MKI and old mirages against J-11B and J-10A for air superiority with 2:1 numerical advantage to IAF. Please let them start it! Please let it be that the five Rafales will give them the confidence boost to go in guns blazing already. J-11B and J-10A can handle 2:1 against these clowns. If they can stall two T-90s going uphill, leave sub hatches open during diving, topple a destroyer in the dry dock, and get done by JF-17s with F-16s spamming AMRAAMs in the back, you can almost give the IAF F-35s against some J-10As and they'll end up losing with PLAAF scoring fewer IAF kills than IAF themselves. The greatest bunch of clowns in military history self proclaimed "Chini experts" and "military analysts". Honestly when is India going to walk the talk?
 
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This is a more grounded representation of Rafale hype by Indian media.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1288431956154175488

It's far more likely the IAF eventually uses the Rafale in some small engagement against the PAF some time in the more distant future. Alas the PLAAF won't get an opportunity to humiliate the IAF Rafales or whatever they bring because they refuse to bring anything and prefer to fight on the keyboard. The amount of Indian media propaganda surrounding Rafale has now talked it up to being certainly superior to the J-20 already. Soon they'll start name dropping F-22 and F-35... brought to you by ex air marshals/chiefs/whatever lame title idiots who played along with Modi's "our fighters can hide in clouds to avoid radar detection". Surely they must know better but anything to sound tough for the Indians they'll grab with both hands.
 
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Rafale can counter China’s premier fighter jet Chengdu J-20

"Rafale is far superior to the J-20, the Chengdu fighter of China. Even though it’s believed to be a 5th generation fighter, it is probably at best a 3.5 generation aircraft. It's got a third generation engine as we have in the Sukhoi," said Air Marshal R Nambiar (retd) who flight tested the Rafale fighter jets for India.

The stealth characteristics of the J-20 are also under suspicion, say experts based on several analysis done by the Indian Air Force. The J-20 was hyped to be a highly stealthy aircraft and that it could conceal itself in operations and not be easily detected.

J-20 weapons system no match for Rafale

Experts say if the J-20 was the best, why would the Chinese go for the Russian Su35. But the Russian jets too might not be able to compete with the Rafale.
"Su35 is also no match to the Rafale with its weapons, superior sensors and fully integrated architecture. The capability to super cruise even with four missiles, stealth characteristics all put together make the Rafale far more potent than Su35," Nambiar added.
The J-20 uses the same engine as Su30. But the Rafale engine is better in terms of reliability, longevity and maintainability.

Superior combat abilities

“It can lift load up to 1.5 times its weight, which means it can carry weapons and fuel much more capacity than the J-20,” said an IAF official.

The biggest difference is that Rafale is an omni-role aircraft. It can carry out at least four missions in one sortie while the J-20 cannot carry out multiple missions is one go.

The Rafale is battle hardened and has been used in Afghanistan, Libya and Syria while the J-20 has not been part of any action. Also, the meteor missile in Rafale makes it far more potent than the J-20 or the Su30.

Other than the HAMMER, which is a last minute addition, the fighter jet is armed with potent meteor and scalp missiles that will enhance air strike capabilities and air dominance of the Indian Air Force.

The meteor is a beyond visual range long air-to-air missile with a range of 150 km. Scalp is a long-range cruise missile with a range of 200 km that can be launched from the aircraft for deep strikes to hit fixed and stationary targets in land or water.

Rafale will also have the MICA missiles that can be used both for visual and beyond range air-to-air interception and air-to-ground strikes.
 
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Example of Indian troll army in comments on this video of a Chinese helmet defeating just about every reasonable projectile fired directly at it from close range despite helmets being designed for shrapnel and resisting lower energies. The top Indian troll comments read like they didn't even watch the video where the helmet only fails to stop some serious rounds after taking several hits. Same guy did Russian and American helmets which also failed towards the end.


This is the caliber of Indians. Some guy even referenced the Ladakh conflict and claims PLA suffered at the hands of jai hinds and China couldn't accept the losses or publicize it. The same PLA that returned dozens of IA who surrendered. These clowns are shouting and posturing for a war and doing everything to aggravate EXCEPT actually fight it. Absolute pathetic losers. App ban sissy army of India, you can give them 500 Rafales and the best they can do would be lose them all, write it off using various lies and propaganda, then ban more Chinese products. Can't wait for these morons to jerk each other to the point they believe their own bullshit and start shooting - an excellent chance for the PLA to reduce the Indian military to a population of zero and get some much needed practice. The world should not need to tolerate Indian lying scumbags. Man who lies for you will lie against you but to be honest India's got no hope of ever challenging any dominant power and never has in history so we'll probably never get to see a day where India gets antagonised the same way even Iran has been by US/Israel.
 
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Example of Indian troll army in comments on this video of a Chinese helmet defeating just about every reasonable projectile fired directly at it from close range despite helmets being designed for shrapnel and resisting lower energies. The top Indian troll comments read like they didn't even watch the video where the helmet only fails to stop some serious rounds after taking several hits. Same guy did Russian and American helmets which also failed towards the end.


This is the caliber of Indians. Some guy even referenced the Ladakh conflict and claims PLA suffered at the hands of jai hinds and China couldn't accept the losses or publicize it. The same PLA that returned dozens of IA who surrendered. These clowns are shouting and posturing for a war and doing everything to aggravate EXCEPT actually fight it. Absolute pathetic losers. App ban sissy army of India, you can give them 500 Rafales and the best they can do would be lose them all, write it off using various lies and propaganda, then ban more Chinese products. Can't wait for these morons to jerk each other to the point they believe their own bullshit and start shooting - an excellent chance for the PLA to reduce the Indian military to a population of zero and get some much needed practice. The world should not need to tolerate Indian lying scumbags. Man who lies for you will lie against you but to be honest India's got no hope of ever challenging any dominant power and never has in history so we'll probably never get to see a day where India gets antagonised the same way even Iran has been by US/Israel.
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It's better to be underestimated. Let the Indians think they can defeat China.
 
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After imposing a ban on 59 Chinese apps, the government is evaluating another 275 apps for violation of national security and citizens privacy. The latest list reportedly includes Tencent-backed gaming app PUBG, AliExpress, ByteDance's Resso and ULike, another gaming app Ludo World and Xiaomi's Zili, media reports suggested.

Other apps from Meitu, LBE Tech, Perfect Corp, Sina Corp, Netease Games, Yoozoo Global, among others are also under the scanner, according to a News18 report.

The apps being reviewed are accused of sharing data with Chinese agencies, a source told News 18.
 
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