PLA Small arms

[SpicySichuan]

PAP small arms...

Thermobaric warhead?

 

[Blitzo]

Technically yeah, But not exactly Peace officer.
I mean how do you fight crime that doesn’t end up destroying half the building or killing the criminals with a grenade launcher? That’s normal in Movies and Comics where reality doesn’t matter hence mu OCP reference to Robocop. A fictional realm where shootings are constant and gangs are armed to the teeth. Judge Dredd, Mad Max, Robocop, Last action hero, Tank Police. Dystopias where law and order has broken down and civil war is the order of the day.
However is that where China is? Neither of us would say so.
I am a known critic of the CCP, but even I am kinda shocked here. I doubt they are actually using it yet even having it walks that line between Police and Military.

Despite their name, PAP are not merely "armed police" like how one may think of SWAT, but rather they are full on gendarmarie.

Some of those Gendarmarie for China of course have to deal with opfor that can be fairly well armed themselves in some regions. You're obviuosly not going to be sending PAP armed like in those pictures, towards a lone criminal armed with a butcher's knife or a black market pistol that has a hostage or two.

You'll be sending in those heavily armed PAP for multiple people in an armed group with some small arms of their own to be able to destroy them with massive overwhelming small arms firepower of your own. There's a reason why PAP have some of their own semi armoured vehicles for transport, it's not because they're cosplaying as regular military but rather it's just enough for what's needed to deal with the level of threats that exist.


Other nations that face similar threats also have Gendarmarie of their own that are up to similarly armed or equipped, e.g.: Turkey.




But as far as the day to day armament of actual regular police, China's LEOs are far less heavily armed (if armed at all) compared to certain other nations in the world.
There's a difference between "militarization of police forces" versus "military force with some limited policing duties". The latter is very much the PAP. The former, is something else.

 

[MwRYum]

There's a difference between "militarization of police forces" versus "military force with some limited policing duties". The latter is very much the PAP. The former, is something else.

Indeed, usually in China (except those trouble hotspot in the western region), if and when police or PAP in heavier gear on some guard duty (minimum show of force presence op) at the street, it's instant photo (read: selfie) opportunity for citizens. It's nowhere near the type of militarization that of the US when Chinese police officer usually won't even carry guns.

 

[Blitzo]

Indeed, usually in China (except those trouble hotspot in the western region), if and when police or PAP in heavier gear on some guard duty (minimum show of force presence op) at the street, it's instant photo (read: selfie) opportunity for citizens. It's nowhere near the type of militarization that of the US when Chinese police officer usually won't even carry guns.

Well, let's not refer to others too explicitly in this thread given it is specific to Chinese small arms

 

[by78]

More images of the CS/LS7 submachine gun.

 

[by78]

PAP firepower...

 

[The Observer]

What is the advantage of using actual flamethrower compared to using Fuel-air explosives such as the Russian RPO-A Shmel and its derivatives? I can only think of cost.

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

What is the advantage of using actual flamethrower compared to using Fuel-air explosives such as the Russian RPO-A Shmel and its derivatives? I can only think of cost.

Just about Zippo... See what I did there?
I mean other than burning out a hive of Asian Hornets, it’s a weapon more dangerous to the user than intended victim. Short range, heavy weight, you don’t want to use it in any confined space as it consumes all the oxygen. A shot or two and the tank is spent. The only possible use is to clear pill boxes. But the problems I listed are solved by a rocket launcher or grenades.
From every practical aspect with the exception of vehicle mounted systems it’s pretty useless. And Even Vehicle mounted is only good vs infantry and soft targets.

 

[The Observer]

Just about Zippo... See what I did there?
I mean other than burning out a hive of Asian Hornets, it’s a weapon more dangerous to the user than intended victim. Short range, heavy weight, you don’t want to use it in any confined space as it consumes all the oxygen. A shot or two and the tank is spent. The only possible use is to clear pill boxes. But the problems I listed are solved by a rocket launcher or grenades.
From every practical aspect with the exception of vehicle mounted systems it’s pretty useless. And Even Vehicle mounted is only good vs infantry and soft targets.

Which is why I'm really confused by the pictures of PAP actually still training with flamethrowers. Given that PAP is really PLA lite, I wonder if PLA doctrine still has some pages about flamethrower usage hidden somewhere.

P.s I prefer Ronson and American cooking pot on tracks

 

[vincent]

What is the advantage of using actual flamethrower compared to using Fuel-air explosives such as the Russian RPO-A Shmel and its derivatives? I can only think of cost.

for roasting terrorists hiding in caves