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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
it was probably more for ease of manufacturing.
The Aluminum AR15 magazine is one of the weak points of the AR. This is why polymers have replaced them.

When M16 was designed it was to use a 20 round disposable magazine... Of course it was never used that way. The magazine was retained. Aluminum was still an exotic material. Steel was still king. If you went to buy a pack of Coors in those days one you had to be west of Texas two it was in a tin plated steel can. Aluminum became the common material in the early 80s. That was also when the AR15 magazine became STANAG.

Colt under contract to the DOD decided that a 30 round box like that found in the AK was needed in about 1967. Making the 20 round box is easy. Push aluminum though a die and it’s stamped.
That’s very easy to do. Nor in o was making AR knockoffs at that time they knew stamping. Very cheap. Perfect for making prototypes. Yet that is also its weakness.
Ever dent an aluminum can, then try to get the dent out. The creases remain. Sure you kinda got it back but the slightest pressure and it’s back dented. The AR magazine isn’t much thicker than that Can.
Step on It, sit on It, drop to prone On It, jam It in the magazine well really hard. It dents. Like the Can you can kinda fix it but the pressure will return that dent. As a mechanical device that slows down the loading, it jams up. A cursory inspection might not tell you it’s deformed. But once in the magazine well it’s back.
This is where Polymers come in, even cheap ones. When they break they break. when they dent it pops out, They don’t dent they crack or shatter. As the end user you can see at a glance this isn’t going to work or Yeah this is nothing.

The Curve @MwRYum points to came because the AR receiver magazine well on early M16 models was Flat later models got a flare To ease reloads. However the bullets are not cylinders but conical stack them and you get a curve. The natural curve would be flatter than an AK magazine but rounder than a regular AR. Colt to make the thirty rounder basically started flat then curved resulting in the dog leg shape.
 

by78

General
CS/LS7 submachine gun in service with PAP.

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Technically yeah, But not exactly Peace officer.
I mean how do you fight crime that doesn’t end up destroying half the building or killing the criminals with a grenade launcher? That’s normal in Movies and Comics where reality doesn’t matter hence mu OCP reference to Robocop. A fictional realm where shootings are constant and gangs are armed to the teeth. Judge Dredd, Mad Max, Robocop, Last action hero, Tank Police. Dystopias where law and order has broken down and civil war is the order of the day.
However is that where China is? Neither of us would say so.
I am a known critic of the CCP, but even I am kinda shocked here. I doubt they are actually using it yet even having it walks that line between Police and Military.
 

EdgeOfEcho

Junior Member
Registered Member
Wait those are PAP? I mean a rocket launcher and automatic grenade launcher? This is OCP kinda law enforcement.
PAP conduct quite a bit of counter insurgency in Xinjiang and remotes regions of Tibet.
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Most of the insurgents do hit and runs, ambush local police to steal rifles and ammo, and then run away into the mountain ranges and hide in caves. For these types of terrains, flamethrowers, GLs that weigh 30kg and rockets are a lot more useful than normal rifles.
 

EdgeOfEcho

Junior Member
Registered Member
Technically yeah, But not exactly Peace officer.
I mean how do you fight crime that doesn’t end up destroying half the building or killing the criminals with a grenade launcher? That’s normal in Movies and Comics where reality doesn’t matter hence mu OCP reference to Robocop. A fictional realm where shootings are constant and gangs are armed to the teeth. Judge Dredd, Mad Max, Robocop, Last action hero, Tank Police. Dystopias where law and order has broken down and civil war is the order of the day.
However is that where China is? Neither of us would say so.
I am a known critic of the CCP, but even I am kinda shocked here. I doubt they are actually using it yet even having it walks that line between Police and Military.
The point of these "heavier" elements is not to use them whenever you are going to shoot someone, obviously that is crazy, no sane person will use a GL in a hostage rescue situation, unless you are fuze in Rainbow six siege, but the point is to have them when you need them.

There are plenty of cases where armed insurgents or criminals hide themselves in fortified structures where small arm fire from rifles cannot do much, unless you want to call the Army in and roll out the big guns from APCs and tanks, GL and AT rockets can do the job.

If you are not gonna call in the big guns, you must risk losing people in CQB situations.

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Russians do this pretty often, you got insurgents hiding in a house? Well get rid of the house first then we go in. No point in risking soldier's lives.
So have GLs, AT rockets or flamethrowers in your arsenal is neat, unless you want to wait and call in the army whenever you have people hiding in concrete structures.
 

The Observer

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Registered Member
I do understand the rocket launcher, but I'm rather surprised the PAP choose the heavy GL instead of the Assault GL that's in use in the PLA. Maybe their tactics assume they have the time to set the heavy GL up?
 

MwRYum

Major
Technically yeah, But not exactly Peace officer.
I mean how do you fight crime that doesn’t end up destroying half the building or killing the criminals with a grenade launcher? That’s normal in Movies and Comics where reality doesn’t matter hence mu OCP reference to Robocop. A fictional realm where shootings are constant and gangs are armed to the teeth. Judge Dredd, Mad Max, Robocop, Last action hero, Tank Police. Dystopias where law and order has broken down and civil war is the order of the day.
However is that where China is? Neither of us would say so.
I am a known critic of the CCP, but even I am kinda shocked here. I doubt they are actually using it yet even having it walks that line between Police and Military.
You may have forgotten for a time during the 1990s, PAP got tanks - those PLA mechanized infantry handed over to PAP as part of restructure at that time, and those outfits brought those hardware with them, until those Type 59 MBTs eventually retired.
Besides, PAP is the equivalent to Gendarmerie of France and National Guard of the US in their functionaries.
The point of these "heavier" elements is not to use them whenever you are going to shoot someone, obviously that is crazy, no sane person will use a GL in a hostage rescue situation, unless you are fuze in Rainbow six siege, but the point is to have them when you need them.
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So have GLs, AT rockets or flamethrowers in your arsenal is neat, unless you want to wait and call in the army whenever you have people hiding in concrete structures.
The knowledge that "hey the PAP got those heavy stuff" could serve as a deterrent factor in itself. But of course, when you need to call in those "heavies", that's when you ain't expecting to drag those who holed up in a cave/sturdy building back to HQ for questioning anyway, and that's what you'd expect from those jihadists.
 
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