China need a new geopolitical Doctrine ?

[gadgetcool5]

Bless your heart. Having left and thrown your lot in elsewhere, now you can leave Chinese people to govern ourselves. Enjoy your dash.

I have more than one lot. One of them is for the good and well being of all people in Asia, as well as in the U.S. The entire Asia-Pacific region can prosper together, people who immigrate from one country to another can be a bridge to offer different perspectives. The reality is cooperation will be better than fighting in the long run for everybody. Anyway, my 2c not trying to force anybody.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

I wonder how many of you know of Houston, Texas? That is where I am from now, immigrated here from China. In the 20th century, there were many untapped oil fields here, and anyone could buy a plot of land, drill a well, and it was like searching for gold. A few people managed to get spectacularly rich like this overnight. Some people who were very poor men, who had nothing special in terms of education, suddenly got very, very rich. Went from the bottom of the barrel of society to in charge of the world at warp speed. All of a sudden it went to their head, they couldn't handle it, started to bully everyone, fight with everyone, try to settle every old score, embarrassed themselves.

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I don't think that is true I have been following Chinese politic for decades And that is not what transpired over the decade Who is bullying whom here. China has not fought the war for the last 40 years And how many wars has the land of free and brave fought over the same period. So your criticism is misplaced and unwarranted
I notice that with some of mainland newbee immigrant They feel so small and so and inferior and they tend to self hate themselves and worshiped the west on the altar. They see the west with rose tinted glasses and self hate. Here is what Jimmy carter said about the relation of China and US.
If anything China has been deferential to the west and bend their back backward to accommodate the western interest. But now they start to have spine on their back and respond vigorously to the western challenge. And of course they don't like it and badmouth China every turn they get chance aided by their powerful media.

The problem is not that China is aggressive but the west expectation that china will always be meek and subservient to western interest. And when china doesn't do that they were disappointed and start bad mouthing China.

China does not have the history of colonizing and enslaving people over the century Yes southern China was sinized but over millennia and thru intermingling and inter marriage between Han and the natives.
Even today the Miao, Yi, Zhuang still speak their own language How many North american Indian still speak their languages?

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Carter, who normalized diplomatic relations between Washington and Beijing in 1979, said he told Trump that much of China’s success was due to its peaceful foreign policy.

Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”

“Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody?” Carter asked. “None, and we have stayed at war.” While it is true that China’s last major war—an invasion of Vietnam—occurred in 1979, its People’s Liberation Army pounded border regions of Vietnam with artillery and its navy battled its Vietnamese counterpart in the 1980s. Since then, however, China has been at peace with its neighbors and the world.

Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history—1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter’s presidency. Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”

 

[ansy1968]

I don't think that is true I have been following Chinese politic for decades And that is not what transpired over the decade Who is bullying whom here. China has not fought the war for the last 40 years And how many wars has the land of free and brave fought the same period. So your criticism is misplaced and unwarranted
I notice that with some of mainland newbee immigrant They feel so small and so and inferior and they tend to self hate themselves and worshiped the west on the altar. They see the west with rose tinted glasses and self hate. Here is what Jimmy carter said about the relation of China and US

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Carter, who normalized diplomatic relations between Washington and Beijing in 1979, said he told Trump that much of China’s success was due to its peaceful foreign policy.

Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”

“Since 1979, do you know how many times China has been at war with anybody?” Carter asked. “None, and we have stayed at war.” While it is true that China’s last major war—an invasion of Vietnam—occurred in 1979, its People’s Liberation Army pounded border regions of Vietnam with artillery and its navy battled its Vietnamese counterpart in the 1980s. Since then, however, China has been at peace with its neighbors and the world.

Carter then said the US has been at peace for only 16 of its 242 years as a nation. Counting wars, military attacks and military occupations, there have actually only been five years of peace in US history—1976, the last year of the Gerald Ford administration and 1977-80, the entirety of Carter’s presidency. Carter then referred to the US as “the most warlike nation in the history of the world,” a result, he said, of the US forcing other countries to “adopt our American principles.”

hi Hendrik_2000

PEACEFUL RISE, 2nd largest economic all done in 40 years without war.

 

[Canton_pop]

hi Hendrik_2000

PEACEFUL RISE, 2nd largest economic all done in 40 years without war.

The West especially US has shown to Iran, China and DPRK that toe-the diplomatic line doesn't work anymore, look at Iran Nuclear deal, look at US-DPRK Singapore deal, look at China peaceful rise - every single thing China did for a better world were portray so negatively by both western media and politicians - being called a debt-trap diplomacy when offer win-win to help world poorest nations which Wests colonized, impoverish and shunned. World is now a much much dangerous place thanks to the Wests supremacy mentality.

 

[ansy1968]

The West especially US has shown to Iran, China and DPRK that toe-the diplomatic line doesn't work anymore, look at Iran Nuclear deal, look at US-DPRK Singapore deal, look at China peaceful rise - every single thing China did for a better world were portray so negatively by both western media and politicians - being called a debt-trap diplomacy when offer win-win to help world poorest nations which Wests colonized, impoverish and shunned. World is now a much much dangerous place thanks to the Wests supremacy mentality.

hi Canton_pop

THE WESTERN NARATIVE is bankrupt, IT is plain to see the current COVID pandemic and the economic malaise which country is handling it well. What CHINA need is peace, it need time to develop, that is where its priority is. Compare that to the US, its domestic problem is HUGE. A triple whammy of a PANDEMIC, ECONOMIC DISASTER and domestic disturbance. A responsible leadership should focus on its problem , the incoherent action of both the US president and congress, the partisan infighting will not help broke the gridlock.

The AMERICAN people is now asking REALLY DIFFICULT question to their POLITICIAN and their is no easy ANSWER, The tactic of blaming others thru negative /fake news is not working , cause they had seen the TRUTH. The current crisis is really a blessing that expose the HYPOCRISY OF so called WESTERN VALUES.

 

[escobar]

In many respects, China is larger than the USA.
And we can expect China to continue growing faster.
The growth gap has actually increased during this pandemic in China's favour.

That is why China can withstand US pressure to change.

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In comparison, China has:
1. a population 56x larger than Australia
2. a GDP 10x larger than Australia

So in the overall relationship, who has more leverage?

US more more powerfull and larger than NK, have put lot of sanction on NK. The power gap between US and NK is bigger than between China ans Australia. But NK still have those nuclear weapon.

You are basing a policy on the hope that just because of CHina power Australia will bend.

 

[AndrewS]

I have more than one lot. One of them is for the good and well being of all people in Asia, as well as in the U.S. The entire Asia-Pacific region can prosper together, people who immigrate from one country to another can be a bridge to offer different perspectives. The reality is cooperation will be better than fighting in the long run for everybody. Anyway, my 2c not trying to force anybody.

I agree that cooperation is better in the long run for everyone.
But no matters what China does now, the USA will no longer cooperate with China.

From the Chinese perspective, China wants escape the middle-income trap and become a high-income nation.
That is a reasonable aspiration.

But the USA has finally realised that China will inevitably displace the USA, if China becomes a high-income nation.
After all, a wealthy hi-tech China has 4x the population, so a fully developed China have an economy 4x bigger.
Imagine what such a world would look like if you replaced the USA with China.

So that is why the USA will seek to prevent China becoming a wealthy hi-tech nation.
After all, Chinese technology companies would end up replace US technology companies in many instances.

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In the Asia-Pacific, I would also write off Australia, because it is too wedded to the idea of US as a protector because Australia sees itself as a Western nation rather than an Asian one.

Elsewhere, I think relations and cooperation can still be maintained.

 

[escobar]

We have seen South Korea remember the THAAD boycott, which has affected their actions afterwards.
Australian politicians change all the time and have a short memory.
But elsewhere in Asia, everyone else has a much longer institutional memory.

You policy is based on the hope that Australia will change. I see.

 

[escobar]

The other argument is why hasn't Taiwan already declared independence?

Because of China military deterrence against both Taiwan and US like I said.
Not because of a hope policy.

 

[escobar]

You can repeat the claim but you cannot back it up when challenged. I asked how would you better-manage it, and you said compete. Huawei's competing at the highest level in the world. What else you got on why Huawei's badly managed? Nothing but repeats of the same empty claim.

China PR skills is weak. No need to argue with that.

Maybe they change and maybe they don't but bringing up examples of when a strategy failed in order to say it's not effective is like citing all the times when a punch didn't knock someone out to argue that punching isn't an effective strategy. Eventually, when China's economic (and military) power grows to a certain level of superiority over the US, carrot and stick can only work. And if that's not now for some countries, that's ok; China should still give whatever business was coming their way to friendlier or neutral countries simply because that's the respectful thing to do for Chinese consumers.

Like i said, china policy with some countries should be cooperation and leadership, but with others it should be competition and deterrence.
Not a policy of hope or Good Guy/Bad Guy policy