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10thman

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Didn't know about chip inequality
Seems like about 4 years to have 100% reduction in nanometers and that's with EUV equipment
SMIC has a long way to go, the other 3 company has similar nanometer range and equipment

Taiwan will invest $40 billion in the next few years. They are also building at least one factory in Taiwan:
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BTW, not all chips are equal. According to the following graph, Intel's chips are considered to have similar performance with smaller TSMC chips:
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PikeCowboy

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lmao wtf Intel 10 isnt evem in commercial production so how is it "sometimes considered equal to tsmc 7's" for one thing one physically exists and the other is imaginary.

And also wtf the 5 and 3 comment??? Is there some kind of science or are people literally just pulling things out of their asses? Source = "companies?" Is this a joke? This is wild

The author/graph creator is a jackass

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this actually kind of reminds me of that ONI SSN quietness chart which included the 09VI sub from what must have been like 10 years ago
 

localizer

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lmao wtf Intel 10 isnt evem in commercial production so how is it "sometimes considered equal to tsmc 7's" for one thing one physically exists and the other is imaginary.

And also wtf the 5 and 3 comment??? Is there some kind of science or are people literally just pulling things out of their asses? Source = "companies?" Is this a joke? This is wild

The author/graph creator is a jackass

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Agreed. Don't listen to lies, Intel's CPUs are all inferior to TSMC's 7nm AMD chips in terms of multicore performance and power consumption right now.

Also, 5nm and 3nm haven't come out yet.

Intel is behind so they called up the government to sabotage others and try to steal TSMC tech. TSMC's fab will be next to Intel's fab.


Goal is 5nm by 2024 which will be not state of the art by then.

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Hendrik_2000

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Huawei already manufacture smart phone with SMIC chip in it
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Chinese mainland chipmaker Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp has successfully mass-produced a smartphone processor for Huawei Technologies Co, marking a breakthrough in the mainland's push to boost its chipmaking industry, experts said.
Xiang Ligang, director-general of the Information Consumption Alliance, a telecom industry association, said that now, the Kirin 710A chip's design, manufacturing, testing and packaging are all done by Chinese mainland companies, which is a breakthrough for the industry.

The comments came after employees of SMIC Shanghai received Huawei smartphones last week with "Powered by SMIC" printed on the back.

Huawei's chipset, the Kirin 710A, was produced through an advanced, 14-nanometer manufacturing process by the Shanghai-based chipmaker, marking the first time that a Chinese mainland semiconductor company has commercialized that technology to mass-produce smartphone processors. The process produces more efficient chips.


The move also confirms that Huawei is shifting partial production of its self-designed chips to SMIC, away from Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co, amid worries about tightened restrictions from the United States government.

Xiang Ligang, director-general of the Information Consumption Alliance, a telecom industry association, said that now, the Kirin 710A chip's design, manufacturing, testing and packaging are all done by Chinese mainland companies, which is a breakthrough for the industry.

The comments came after employees of SMIC Shanghai received Huawei smartphones last week with "Powered by SMIC" printed on the back.

"The line showcased SMIC's commercialization of its 14-nm technologies to make smartphone processors. It is a step from zero to one," Xiang said.


Hua Chuang Securities said in a research note on Tuesday that chip manufacturing is a crucial part of the semiconductor industry chain.

As the US government plans new control measures of semiconductor exports to Huawei, the Chinese tech company risks losing access to Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co for production of its self-designed chips.

"In such a context, SMIC's progress in 14 nm is very important," the securities company said.

SMIC said earlier that it would expand its production capacity in 14 nm manufacturing to 15,000 wafers per month by the end of 2020.


The company said in its first-quarter financial report on Wednesday that its revenue in the three months was $905 million, up 35 percent year-on-year and marking a record high.

Huawei is also beefing up its own chip research and development capabilities. HiSilicon, Huawei's semiconductor arm, became the first Chinese mainland company to enter the Top 10 global chip rankings, taking the 10th position in the first quarter of 2020, according to market research company IC Insights.

Such progress came as Washington is toughening export controls of semiconductor technologies to China. According to a new rule released by the US Department of Commerce in late April, licenses will be needed for US companies to sell certain items, including semiconductors, to Chinese companies that Washington thinks have ties to the military, even if the products are meant for civilian use. The rule will take effect on June 29.

US semiconductor equipment makers Lam Research and Applied Materials have sent letters to their Chinese clients, asking them not to use their products to make chips for the military or military-civilian initiatives, Chinese media reported on Tuesday night.

Bai Ming, a senior research fellow at the Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, said, "The new restrictions will harm the US semiconductor industry."

Lam Research said in a recent filing, "Our international sales could be materially and adversely affected by export license requirements and other regulatory changes."

China represented 29 percent of its overall revenue for the nine months ended March 29, Lam Research said.

"There is no assurance that we will be issued licenses that we may apply for on a timely basis or at all, which could limit our ability to operate and adversely impact our revenues in China," Lam Research added.
 

Hendrik_2000

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SMIC plan to ramp up production of the from 6000 14-nanometre wafers a month to 15000
and inject 2 billion US dollar into production

China injects US$2.2 billion into local chip maker SMIC

* The investment comes as Washington restricts the ability of telecoms gear maker Huawei to develop chips using American technologies
* SMIC, mainland China’s biggest chip maker, plans a share sale in Shanghai that could raise more than US$3 billion

Bloomberg
Published: 3:21pm, 17 May, 2020

China’s state-backed funds pumped US$2.25 billion into a wafer plant by Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp (SMIC) to support advanced chip making, as Washington tightens technology restrictions on the world’s second largest economy.

The SMIC plant’s registered capital jumps from US$3.5 billion to US$6.5 billion after the investment, the company said in an announcement on Friday.
The Hong Kong-listed chip maker’s stake in the Shanghai facility will drop from 50.1 per cent to 38.5 per cent, according to the company, which is mainland China’s largest semiconductor
foundry.

The plant has capacity to produce 6,000 14-nanometre wafers a month and plans to boost that to 35,000.

The new investment came as Washington moved to prevent sales to Huawei Technologies by chip makers using US technology
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The Commerce Department on Friday said it would require licences before allowing US technology to be used by Huawei or its 114 subsidiaries, including its chip design unit HiSilicon
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SMIC is planning a Shanghai share sale that could raise more than US$3 billion
, based on its closing value of more than US$13 billion on Friday. China is betting the local chip foundry can help reduce the country’s reliance on US technology.
 

AssassinsMace

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Like I said before China should cut off rare earths to the US and any country that helps the US makes or obtains chips like their law to prevent China from obtaining chips from anywhere. That's going to ripple through all hi-tech sectors and drive up costs for all of them because no place else is going to be able to produce them cheaper unless the US starts violating human rights in another country. They would have to invade another country and force their people to process rare earths exposing their health to danger for little or no pay. That's the only way they're going to get cheaper rare earths than from China. I don't know what the cost difference are but it has to be astronomical that the US is in a bind where they can't produce them at home. Even when they brag they found a rare earth deposit not from China, they still ship it to China to be processed because that's the costly part of the whole business. China has nothing to lose if no country is allowed to sell chips to China?
 
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