Hong-Kong Protests

a view from Europe (Brexit inside):
Nearly half of Britons would let Hongkongers with British passports live in UK, survey finds
  • Calls for BN (O)-holding Hongkongers to receive the right of abode have been rising in Britain amid the city’s increasing violence from protesters and police
  • The survey found that only one in five people opposed granting the right of abode to all BN (O) passport holders, while 45 per cent supported the idea

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The funny thing is I don't think the rioters care. Before, these rioters are nobody. Now, they think they are somebody. That's why they are so obsessed with the media and foreigners especially the foreign media and foreign governments. They want the world to look at them as some sort of martyrs that fight for freedom and injustice. Sadly, they don't understand most westerners are just shedding crocodile tears.



Most of the rioters are hoping that the second scenario would occur. Like other members said for the brainwashed radicals "If I don't get my way, no one will get his/her as well." But for some one like Jimmy Lai, he has a more realistic expectation. Jimmy Lai knew that President Xi is under tremendous pressure due to the Xinjiang, trade wars, and now Hong Kong. He thought that if he could force the central government to send in the military, then a worldwide(western) sanctions would cripple the Chinese economy. Jimmy Lai is hoping that other factions with CCP would force Xi to step down and a more moderate leader within CCP would assume control. As long as it isn't Xi, Jimmy Lai and many elites in HK think that they could coordinate with the fellow liberals in China to bring down the CCP like they were doing in the last few decades. They think they come close of weakening the CCP before Xi assumed the role of president.



Sadly, it is never about HK. It is more a desperate move by the western powers to make a last stand before China became unstoppable.

I cannot fault your logic or reasoning Kyli and I am sure this is precisely what the ProDem faction are looking to do.
Clearly any attempt from Western powers to invade Chinese Sovereign territory could only have the one disastrous consequence.
I do get a feeling though that Beijing is looking at Hong Kong and thinking Taiwan. In that sense, The West may well be revealing decades worth of planning and network building in a scenario that is not really paying off. Politically Hong Kong is quarantined and there is no danger of the infection spreading to the mainland.
Hong Kong is then a lab rat and Beijing is watching closely as to how the infection spreads within its host.

Sadly too much to be able to post about at present, but given the role played by the UK in all this, the Chinese way well like to take a UK example to compare with Hong Kong. I am think specifically of Northern Ireland and the Troubles. All the ingredients for rival sectarian paramilitaries are there, simply substitute 1C2S for the Good Friday Agreement and LegCo for Stormont and you should be able to work out where I am coming from. In short that the Bullet and the Ballot Box is a great slogan but impossible to turn into policy, once you are elected.
 

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a view from Europe (Brexit inside):
Nearly half of Britons would let Hongkongers with British passports live in UK, survey finds
  • Calls for BN (O)-holding Hongkongers to receive the right of abode have been rising in Britain amid the city’s increasing violence from protesters and police
  • The survey found that only one in five people opposed granting the right of abode to all BN (O) passport holders, while 45 per cent supported the idea

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Nice bit of spin there Jura. Or to put it another way, the majority of Britons object to letting Hongkongers with British passports live in the UK
 
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the turnout tomorrow (of course I refer to Yesterday at 8:48 AM
Yesterday at 8:00 PMrelated, based on what's inside
Hong Kong police chief urges protesters to reject violence ahead of Sunday’s major demonstration from Civil Human Rights Front
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I'm guessing 320k (three hundred and twenty thousand)
 

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I cannot fault your logic or reasoning Kyli and I am sure this is precisely what the ProDem faction are looking to do.
Clearly any attempt from Western powers to invade Chinese Sovereign territory could only have the one disastrous consequence.
I do get a feeling though that Beijing is looking at Hong Kong and thinking Taiwan. In that sense, The West may well be revealing decades worth of planning and network building in a scenario that is not really paying off. Politically Hong Kong is quarantined and there is no danger of the infection spreading to the mainland.
Hong Kong is then a lab rat and Beijing is watching closely as to how the infection spreads within its host.

Sadly too much to be able to post about at present, but given the role played by the UK in all this, the Chinese way well like to take a UK example to compare with Hong Kong. I am think specifically of Northern Ireland and the Troubles. All the ingredients for rival sectarian paramilitaries are there, simply substitute 1C2S for the Good Friday Agreement and LegCo for Stormont and you should be able to work out where I am coming from. In short that the Bullet and the Ballot Box is a great slogan but impossible to turn into policy, once you are elected.

Good analysis! And yes, the British had planted the seeds of this long time ago. Noticed though, the British is harping on about democracy only just before their rule comes to an end! Mmmm!!!

See this clip about, (and for those who don't speak cantonese) the speaker mentioned two things of importance.

1st, he said, when ever Joshua Wong and his backers and the MSM keeps on about Hong Kong's lack of freedom! And portrait an image of Hong Kongers living in China akin to 1984 orwellian type of society!

Yet no one noticed or mentioned, how much FREEDOM Joshua and his cohorts have by flying around the world to garnish support from western nations. Or that they come and go within Hong Kong to canvass for votes with the types of freedom some western nations can only dream about!

The speaker also said the riots of the 60s, he said of the people that took part in that riots all got criminal records and as such are banned from government post and jobs until 97, when China gave them armistice!

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Nice bit of spin there Jura. Or to put it another way, the majority of Britons object to letting Hongkongers with British passports live in the UK

Lol. No pun intended!

I wasn't going to answer his post, because it just doesn't deserve our time to respond to it. But since you did, I'll respond to you.

I noticed first it's from SCMP, a rag that is just slightly better than Apple daily.

2nd, it try to give an impression to their readers that the British populace welcome foreigners. Lol. Still no pun intended.

Let's take a deeper look. First, anyone living in the UK will tell you one of the reasons the Brexit party won was because of the xenophobia that had been going around in the UK. let me tell you, having experienced this first hand, it is not a pleasant experience! So if the SCMP trying to convey a message of Britons welcome you with open arms to those delusional Hong Kongers. They would have a rude awakening!

Then I look deeper in the SCMP's "survey"! And hay bingo! There you have it. A survey of 2000 people! If I did that in my essays at university and claimed that is a representative sample. I'll get a D minus!

And finally, this is the problem with our friend. He post stuff without critical analysis and evaluation. Often with lol. Or now I read. Etc.

As I keep saying to my students, you can't just read stuff. In Chinese is "read death books"! (Chinese know what I mean, unfortunately I don't have chinese key board on my new phone).

You have got to make sense of what you are reading. And the only way to do that is critical analysis and evaluation. And this is important, come up with some conclusion or opinions. Often his posts does neither!
 
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New Hong Kong police chief Chris Tang tells top Beijing officials that ‘hard and soft’ tactics will be used to thwart protest crisis
  • Tang stresses that toughness has nothing to do with the potential deployment of People’s Liberation Army soldiers
  • He insists police are still responsible for security in the city
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before I had read it, I noticed about the flag raising in
Hong Kong police commissioner watches flag-raising ceremony in Beijing
Xinhua| 2019-12-07 19:34:38
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This just about sums up what's gone wrong in Hong Kong, elected official condoning, if not participating, in riots!

Surely, this elected member is supposed to draft laws and swore to up hold the law and protect its citizen from harm. Clearly she has done none of these! the only thing she has done is to excercise her FREEDOM (that she claimed she don't have) to hurt the people and destory the city she had promised to protect!

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Noticed the MSM remain silent on this. What do you think the authorities' response would be if she had been an elected member in the west?
 

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Why oh why!

Talk about freedom! Where else in the world a country allows head of foreign organisations NED, NDI in your country!

They arrived late November!

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