Hong-Kong Protests

[Xizor]

Not only HKPF may be throw under the bus, Carrie Lam herself my be a victim of reprisal after she finished her term. Someone could sue her for abuse of power, the court lead by many British citizens (absurd isn't it?!) would send her to prison. She would have no way to appeal her case to the Supreme court or National Congress in Beijing because according to the flawed basic law, Hong Kong's legal criminal cases settle in Hong Kong except basic law itself.

Regardless abolishing 1C2S in name or in effect, the basic law need to be changed to remove the power of final appeal from Hong Kong's Court of Final Appeal, or make the Chief Executive immune for life and change the qualification of judges to remove foreign nationals from legal system.

I don't think the posting of foreign judges are that much of an issue. I think a Chinese origin judge ( of course,born in HK ) would have a higher chance of being "partial" to certain ideologies/cause/nations. In fact, it'd turn out that foreign born judges are relatively better since they are aware of their "foreign origin" and are under a bit of scrutiny from HK citizens as well as the mainland (through mainland companies). Foreign born judges might be a bit more careful than Banana judges who may be one among the many who beat up old people for saying"we are all Chinese". Remember that one video where a (presumably) American girl was confronting/trying to reason with the rioters?

 

[KYli]

Not only HKPF may be throw under the bus, Carrie Lam herself my be a victim of reprisal after she finished her term. Someone could sue her for abuse of power, the court lead by many British citizens (absurd isn't it?!) would send her to prison. She would have no way to appeal her case to the Supreme court or National Congress in Beijing because according to the flawed basic law, Hong Kong's legal criminal cases settle in Hong Kong except basic law itself.

Regardless abolishing 1C2S in name or in effect, the basic law need to be changed to remove the power of final appeal from Hong Kong's Court of Final Appeal, or make the Chief Executive immune for life and change the qualification of judges to remove foreign nationals from legal system.

That's why it is absurd that the HK government keeps appointing these judges in the name of impartiality. The HK government needs to take an active roles to appoint judges and fill important positions. As when the shit hits the fan, the HK government would be all alone without any allies if they keep playing the impartial and small government game.

As for Carrie Lam, unless the justice department decided to prosecute her or the ICAC decided to charge her for corruption, there really not much the oppositions can do.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Those are just communication mediums that are also expendable and replaceable, any shutdown would only be a temporary disruption. It has to be accompanied by arrest, prosecution, and imprisonment of the people associated with those organizations of inciting riots, slander, conspiracy, etc. If more intelligence can be gleaned by letting them continue to operate then that might be preferable.



There are specific organizations and people instigating and sustaining the rioting, including religious ones, who should be handled appropriately same as the online and media conspirators above, but I think labeling of general religious movements would be counterproductive.



The anti-mask law is pretty weak, there are reasonable exemptions such as for medical reasons but also very lax qualifiers such as >30/>50 people when rallying/marching etc.

I think chipping them, housing them in hotels or in China are all more trouble than it's worth. Certainly they need to be liberated from brainwashing and pay for the damage to public and private property, so re-education and labor would be appropriate.

The religious (particularly the christian oned) organsation provided santuary and all sundries and support like place to change, water and provisions to rioters.

Shame on you! It is little wonder China won't allow christian faith to get hold in China!

 

[KYli]

I don't think the posting of foreign judges are that much of an issue. I think a Chinese origin judge ( of course,born in HK ) would have a higher chance of being "partial" to certain ideologies/cause/nations. In fact, it'd turn out that foreign born judges are relatively better since they are aware of their "foreign origin" and are under a bit of scrutiny from HK citizens as well as the mainland (through mainland companies). Foreign born judges might be a bit more careful than Banana judges who may be one among the many who beat up old people for saying"we are all Chinese". Remember that one video where a (presumably) American girl was confronting/trying to reason with the rioters?

Not really, it is an Indian origin judge that is most partial.

 

[Xizor]

Not really, it is an Indian origin judge that is most partial.

It'd be nice to have a list of judges who are ranked on the perceived prejudice.( it is quite the subjective matter)

 

[Blitzo]

The religious (particularly the christian oned) organsation provided santuary and all sundries and support like place to change, water and provisions to rioters.

Shame on you! It is little wonder China won't allow christian faith to get hold in China!

Reminder for everyone to avoid becoming personal with each other please.

 

[Xizor]

@Bltizo Please consider NOT shutting down this thread anytime soon. Moderating this thread can be strenuous (i can only guess). The thread provides a lot of information that isn't "mainstream". It allows a lot of members to see a better/wider picture.

 

[KYli]

It'd be nice to have a list of judges who are ranked on the perceived prejudice.( it is quite the subjective matter)

Fair enough. Nobody wants to be sued for contempt of the court so not sure there would ever be a list. My perception is solely base upon the names that come up most often when there are controversial rulings. Of course, it is not a fair assessment.

 

[PanAsian]

This is unbelievable brazen and in your face from the thugs.

Taking "family photos" with child and some face mask off!

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In this case they aren't doing anything wrong but it is great for reference and comparison if these people also go commit crimes masked.

 

[Pika]

Anyone has a video of protesters at military garrison and soldiers raising a yellow flag as a warning?

I swear, I think these protesters are goading China to act. I think they might send in the PAP, but after Xi waits and let the city burn itself down first.

It will be the strategic move. Wait them out and the more destruction the world witness, the less they will keep saying this is a peaceful movement.

No one will argue with China sending in PAP if this turns into full blown rioting and people start dying.