solarz
Brigadier
You punish criminals, you do not punish dissidents. Those who suffered physical or emotional distress standing up for the motherland can be recognized and rewarded on a case-by-case basis.
Hong-Kong Protests
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You punish criminals, you do not punish dissidents. Those who suffered physical or emotional distress standing up for the motherland can be recognized and rewarded on a case-by-case basis.
First of all, I never said "evacuate patriotic citizens from HK". I said once HK become a 3rd world dumpster, the patriots will have the incentives to move north, just like how in the early years of Deng Xiao Ping's Opening Up (改革开放), a lot of anti-PRC Chinese chose to move outside of their country to the West. Would you call that "evacuating"?
My thoughts might sound a bit too draconian, and it might not fit your liberal democratic disposition. But so far, you have nothing that could effectively counter my points. All you have done so far is to bend my words.
Can you be real for once! "Punish Criminals"? Are you kidding me. Them HKer's don't even want to have an extradition bill signed! Even if China does intervene, all it can effectively do (while still upholding 1C2S) is to help reinforce man-power and equipment-power for the HK police department. Even if we do send in the PAP. All PAP does is to disperse the rioters, or make some arrests. PAP is just a police force, it can only disperse a crowd, make arrests and restore public order to public spaces. It is not a legal services, nor is it a court. The PAP can not even convict the HK rioters they arrested. They can only hand them over to the HK court. As long as the courts are sympathetic to the rioters and organizers, the PAP are nothing but extra man power and equipment power adding to the HK police.
This is why, once the PAP goes in, order will only be restored while PAP is there. Once the PAP leaves, they will be back to the streets.
solarz
Brigadier
I don't disagree with that, which is why I think Beijing needs to scrap 1C2S.
That, my friend, is a WHOLE OTHER ISSUE.
1C2S is a huge framework. You can't just scrap it, like you can scrap a small project. A society is a extremely large and complex multivariate mechanism. You can't just lightly say "just scrap it", and it get magically done without any preparation.
Before we can "Scrap 1C2S", we need to first come up with a mechanism that can run the society first. That is rather difficult, if not impossible without a least a few years of preparation. The central government is not prepared to directly run Hong Kong now, because it hasn't planned on doing that for now. This is why the central government repeatedly stresses their faith in 1C2S. If the central government steps into Hong Kong unprepared to run it, it will result in a less orderly Hong Kong. How is this a good thing?
The central government is not worried about Hong Kong what so ever, because they have already decided to put their faith in 1C2S. That means they have put their faith in the HK government. This means HK government still runs HK however things goes. The PAP is prepared to go in, as soon as the HK police and public security systems become overloaded and unable to maintain order anymore. The PAP will go in, quickly disperse the crowds, subdue rioters, restore order, and hand over captured personnel over to the HK police department. In the mean time, they will most likely re-equip the HK police, re-enforce them with better and more powerful equipment, and give them a breathing time to recruit more personnel and take a break. Once the HK police is recovered, they will hand over responsibility back to the HK police.
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However, there is that rare case that HK government undergo an Ukraine style of revolution, and turns into a separatist government. This is very very unlikely. But this is actually a case that is easiest to deal with. If this became the case, the PAP and the PLA will swarm in, crush all separatist elements and install a war-time government and declare martial law in Hong Kong. This is perhaps the only viable "scrap 1C2S" outcome that I can imagine. However, this is only doable if the entire HK government somehow turned against China. As long as the HK government is still loyal to the central government, such an option is off the table.
I don't see the Hongkong unrest in the form of black and white, China vs. Dem. It was NEVER about democracy IMO. Some people may sincerely think they protest for democracy, but I see them protesting more of unsatisfied with certain things (like unemployment, young student who can never afford a house) that has nothing to do with democracy. The leader of the anti-PRC camp is only using the label "democracy" to rally people, making everyone think that they are pro-dem.
However, regardless the label one may choose, the unrest and social fracture is real. As to your question of number or percentage, @Solaris8 has given a very good answer. It is a like rainbow, a gray-scale, not B&W.
Jura The idiot
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... whatever; if I were you, I'd be careful, as results of your google search are 'personalized' depending on stuff:
it's what I got moments ago, and if you're online right now, you may search again and I'm telling you you'll get something else
Confrontation between students from China and students from Hong kong in Vancover!
Kudos to the students from China in standing up to them. I like the way one of HK student says its the freedom of speach, don't you understand?! The irony. To have freedom of speach means you allow others to have a voice. And since others allow you to put your posters up. Them you should allow others to take them down!
Kudos to the students from China in standing up to them. I like the way one of HK student says its the freedom of speach, don't you understand?! The irony. To have freedom of speach means you allow others to have a voice. And since others allow you to put your posters up. Them you should allow others to take them down!