Hong-Kong Protests

jimmyjames30x30 said:

This is also why the only MSM smearing campaign of "Uyghur Concentration Camp" is also fruitless. It was meant to destroy China-Muslim World relations. Yet, since the reporting are way too earnest and way too fanatical, they even go as far as saying "organ harvesting" without evidences. This made the Middle Eastern people skeptical and desensitized.

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Turkey was really the only muslim country that was raising a stink about the Uyghurs, other countries like Pakistan only had reservations. After China invited representatives from those countries to visit the vocational camps, their worries were apparently completely assuaged. Turkey dropped the issue shortly after as well.

Only the Western media, who ironically did not visit those centres, continue to make up stories.

solarz said:

Yeah, I disagree completely.

The duty of a nation is to take care of its citizens, regardless of what they think of the government. When a government cares only for its supporters, the nation is weakened and divided.

Obviously you think Hong Kong is so tiny and inconsequential that this would not matter. That's what the Qing government also thought when they gave HK away in the first place.

People change their minds *after* you help them fix their problems. I would wager that if the PAP went in today and restored order to the city, the vast majority of HKers would be extremely grateful.

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Bullshit! People do not change their mind, unless they first hit a wall which they can't get over, and become miserable and depressed. Right now, those HKers still has that "higher than thou" attitude, this means that they have not suffered enough. Why should China intervene unwanted? Supposed we did solve their problem, would they be happy and grateful? NO!

They will say their life was better before our intervention.
They will say they didn't need out help, and they could do it themselves.
They will say that everything good is all their own doing, the result of their own efforts, and China just stepped in to claim the credit.

You are laughably naive. The only way to change their mind, is for HK to rot into a third world dumpster, while Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and the rest of China became ultra-rich futuristic societies. The only way to change their mind, is let them live like third world beggars, detested by Mainlanders.

solarz said:

Turkey was really the only muslim country that was raising a stink about the Uyghurs, other countries like Pakistan only had reservations. After China invited representatives from those countries to visit the vocational camps, their worries were apparently completely assuaged. Turkey dropped the issue shortly after as well.

Only the Western media, who ironically did not visit those centres, continue to make up stories.

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Just look at how those Dalai Lhama jokers in-exile are saying about Tibet!

They say that they didn't need China to solve their serfdom problem, they could have ended serfdom themselves via western democracy.
They say that they didn't need China to develop their "country", they could have gotten western capital and technology to develop Tibet.

Ungrateful people will always be ungrateful, unless they are crushed by reality and the scorn of others. This is why i say China don't have a duty to fix Hong Kong. Let them rot, let their economy stagnate, let their society descend into chaos. Let them take away all of their own bragging points by their own hands. As long as it does not hurt the sovereignty of China, and the stability of the mainland, we have no obligation to make their life better when they will never recognize our efforts.

solarz said:

So the Hong Kong rioters finally got what they wished: getting shot by the police. However, that does not seem to have achieved the effect they were hoping for.

This is a screenshot of today's google news headlines when searching for "China":

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Looks like Western Media is more interested in China's 70-year anniversary than in a HK "democracy activist" getting shot.

So sorry to @SinoSoldier that he didn't get the mass outrage he was so sure was coming.

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The Way of the King (王道) is simple. Reward those who deserves rewards, and punish those who deserves punishments. Confucius said if you requite resentment with kindness, with what then will you requite kindness with? (以德报怨，何以报德）

Let HK rot, if they so believe in their own system and detest China. Let them destroy their own stability, let them burn their own businesses, let them wreck their own public property. Let the US sanction Hong Kong government by taking away their special status of trade. I am laughing my ass off, when I heard that the US will drop their preferential treatment of Hong Kong in finance and trade. If they so believe in their British imposed Common Law-based politico-legal system, let them see how well their system will function if they keep doing things that deserves chastising from Beijing. We (China) don't even need to dirty our own hand.

This actually helps China, in the Way of the King (王道).

jimmyjames30x30 said:

Bullshit! People do not change their mind, unless they first hit a wall which they can't get over, and become miserable and depressed. Right now, those HKers still has that "higher than thou" attitude, this means that they have not suffered enough. Why should China intervene unwanted? Supposed we did solve their problem, would they be happy and grateful? NO!

They will say their life was better before our intervention.
They will say they didn't need out help, and they could do it themselves.
They will say that everything good is all their own doing, the result of their own efforts, and China just stepped in to claim the credit.

You are laughably naive. The only way to change their mind, is for HK to rot into a third world dumpster, while Shenzhen, Guangzhou, and the rest of China became ultra-rich futuristic societies. The only way to change their mind, is let them live like third world beggars, detested by Mainlanders.

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jimmyjames30x30 said:

Just look at how those Dalai Lhama jokers in-exile are saying about Tibet!

They say that they didn't need China to solve their serfdom problem, they could have ended serfdom themselves via western democracy.
They say that they didn't need China to develop their "country", they could have gotten western capital and technology to develop Tibet.

Ungrateful people will always be ungrateful, unless they are crushed by reality and the scorn of others. This is why i say China don't have a duty to fix Hong Kong. Let them rot, let their economy stagnate, let their society descend into chaos. Let them take away all of their own bragging points by their own hands. As long as it does not hurt the sovereignty of China, and the stability of the mainland, we have no obligation to make their life better when they will never recognize our efforts.

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Sounds like you've bought completely into the Western narrative that all HKers and all Tibetans hate China.

I don't entirely blame you, it is difficult to sort out the facts from the lies when you are constantly bombarded. I myself thought this when the riots first started, and dismissed reports from Xinhua and CGTN about HKers rallying for China and the Police as simple propaganda. Then @Gatekeeper showed us the actions of patriotic HKers throughout the course of the riots, and I realized that despite my rejection of Western media, I was still very much affected by their propaganda. It prompted a complete review of what I had assumed were truths.

No one can predict the future, but I believe in basic humanity. Most people, anywhere in the world, just want to get on with their lives, and will be grateful to those who help them do that. Do not let the loud screams of special interest groups blind you to this simple truth.

Public sentiment change in the blink of an eye, because what you perceive as public sentiment is largely a fabrication of the media. The China-Philippines relation is a good testament to that. If you had been in charge of the Chinese delegation when Duterte came to ask for help, you would probably have laughed in his face, and maybe told him to beg on his knees. Fortunately, the Chinese delegates received Duterte warmly and promised him all the help he needed. The two nations went from being on the brink of war to being best buddies in the span of a few months.

solarz said:

Sounds like you've bought completely into the Western narrative that all HKers and all Tibetans hate China.

I don't entirely blame you, it is difficult to sort out the facts from the lies when you are constantly bombarded. I myself thought this when the riots first started, and dismissed reports from Xinhua and CGTN about HKers rallying for China and the Police as simple propaganda. Then @Gatekeeper showed us the actions of patriotic HKers throughout the course of the riots, and I realized that despite my rejection of Western media, I was still very much affected by their propaganda. It prompted a complete review of what I had assumed were truths.

No one can predict the future, but I believe in basic humanity. Most people, anywhere in the world, just want to get on with their lives, and will be grateful to those who help them do that. Do not let the loud screams of special interest groups blind you to this simple truth.

Public sentiment change in the blink of an eye, because what you perceive as public sentiment is largely a fabrication of the media. The China-Philippines relation is a good testament to that. If you had been in charge of the Chinese delegation when Duterte came to ask for help, you would probably have laughed in his face, and maybe told him to beg on his knees. Fortunately, the Chinese delegates received Duterte warmly and promised him all the help he needed. The two nations went from being on the brink of war to being best buddies in the span of a few months.

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No, I do NOT sound like I have "bought into the Western narrative that all HKers and all Tibetans hate China", where the heck did you get that idea from?

I specifically said on multiple occasions that we should help patriotic HKers any way we can, including taking them in from a rotten HK, and give them financial help, business opportunities and protection.

I also specifically said "Dalai Lhama Jokers In-Exile". When the heck did "Dalai Lhama Jokers In-Exile" ever represented all Tibetans?

Stop bending my words to fit your narrative.

jimmyjames30x30 said:

The Way of the King (王道) is simple. Reward those who deserves rewards, and punish those who deserves punishments. Confucius said if you requite resentment with kindness, with what then will you requite kindness with? (以德报怨，何以报德）

Let HK rot, if they so believe in their own system and detest China. Let them destroy their own stability, let them burn their own businesses, let them wreck their own public property. Let the US sanction Hong Kong government by taking away their special status of trade. I am laughing my ass off, when I heard that the US will drop their preferential treatment of Hong Kong in finance and trade. If they so believe in their British imposed Common Law-based politico-legal system, let them see how well their system will function if they keep doing things that deserves chastising from Beijing. We (China) don't even need to dirty our own hand.

This actually helps China, in the Way of the King (王道).

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Again, your issue is that you think the rioters are representative of HK. That might be how the Western media sells their narrative, but it is far from the truth.

By all means, punish those individuals who break the law, but do not lump the law-abiding citizens of HK in the same basket as those self-hating 废青.

Punish the criminals, help and support the law-abiding citizens. That is the true Way of the King.

jimmyjames30x30 said:

No, I do NOT sound like I have "bought into the Western narrative that all HKers and all Tibetans hate China", where the heck did you get that idea from?

I specifically said on multiple occasions that we should help patriotic HKers any way we can, including taking them in from a rotten HK, and give them financial help, business opportunities and protection.

I also specifically said "Dalai Lhama Jokers In-Exile". When the heck did "Dalai Lhama Jokers In-Exile" ever represented all Tibetans?

Stop bending my words to fit your narrative.

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Why do you want to evacuate patriotic citizens from HK? That is the worst idea I've heard.

If you want to help the law-abiding citizens of HK, the best way is to send in the PAP to restore order to the city.

Quickie said:

Did you even bother to look at what actually happened? The policeman was not only protecting himself from getting killed. He was also trying to ward off the group of rioters who were attacking and possibly killing his compatriot on the ground using iron rods.

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If I understand SinoSoldier correctly, he is saying media and protestors won't care. This is true.
Already US congresscritters are running around like headless chickens to condemn the shooting.

Here is a "news" article (actually opinion masquerading as news since it only is talking to a obviously biased student, like asking a neo-nazi what he thinks of immigration)

Choice quote from that:

He added that the shooting may have brought up memories for Hong Kong residents old enough to remember the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre.

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They really do need to end this now. They are twisting reality too far now, and if the distortion is lingering too long, people will think it is the truth. Tiananmen is a good example of this, an average of 1000's of deaths, when there is absolutely no reliable estimate of this, but everyone is the Western hemisphere only believes the massacre.

I don't think that you need military to stop this. As people mentioned, you start passing new laws if the current ones are not enough. Appoint a special judge or something that is not some white British colonial sympathizer. If the assemblies are illegal, then prosecute them to the full extent. Establish a curfew, arrest the troublemakers, keep them locked up for an indefinite period. It is ridiculous that you have reached a point where cops are getting beaten with metal rods and it looks like only one person was caught. The violence doesn't need to be met with more violence, just actual toughness.

solarz said:

Sounds like you've bought completely into the Western narrative that all HKers and all Tibetans hate China.

I don't entirely blame you, it is difficult to sort out the facts from the lies when you are constantly bombarded. I myself thought this when the riots first started, and dismissed reports from Xinhua and CGTN about HKers rallying for China and the Police as simple propaganda. Then @Gatekeeper showed us the actions of patriotic HKers throughout the course of the riots, and I realized that despite my rejection of Western media, I was still very much affected by their propaganda. It prompted a complete review of what I had assumed were truths.

No one can predict the future, but I believe in basic humanity. Most people, anywhere in the world, just want to get on with their lives, and will be grateful to those who help them do that. Do not let the loud screams of special interest groups blind you to this simple truth.

Public sentiment change in the blink of an eye, because what you perceive as public sentiment is largely a fabrication of the media. The China-Philippines relation is a good testament to that. If you had been in charge of the Chinese delegation when Duterte came to ask for help, you would probably have laughed in his face, and maybe told him to beg on his knees. Fortunately, the Chinese delegates received Duterte warmly and promised him all the help he needed. The two nations went from being on the brink of war to being best buddies in the span of a few months.

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I am all for helping patriotic HKers, as much as possible. However, if HK does not rot into a third world dumpster, how do you distinguish patriots from traitors? If China goes into HK to fix things, both patriots and traitors will be benefited. How is this fair for the patriots? How is it fair for those who stood up for their country and bled to be treated the same way by their country as those who betray their country?

And since the 1C2S system will most likely to remain in place after China's intervention. This will mean the same Western Leaning elites will still be in charge of HK. This will mean that they will still be weak and even sympathetic towards those traitors. This will mean that the traitors will end up getting better treatment than the patriots in the end.

So, I say, let them rot. When they rot, the patriots will move north across the border into mainland where they will be treated with warmth, help, and a great future. The traitors will either stay in their shit hole or move to the West, or they will slap their own face and get on their knees to beg to be re-admitted into the big family of China.