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Sczepan

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hmmm - a coastel defence fleet don't need carriers;
lets say:
additional to north-, east- and south-fleet PLAN will become ab 4th "fleet out of aerea".
North- and south fleet should have 2 "Liaoning-like" carriers, each of them;
= northfleet for training and pilots qualification
= southfleet to protect SCS including the first islands (additional 2 - 3 LHAs)
4th fleet "out of aerea" should have 3 real big sticks

summary:
4 light carriers (north and south, each fleet including 2 carriers)
2-3 helicopter carriers (south, which includes ASW)
3 big carriers
 
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Sczepan

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4 light carriers (north and south, each fleet including 2 carriers) - RL / CVL
2-3 helicopter carriers (south, which includes ASW) - RH / LHA - CVS
3 big carriers - RB / CVB - CVA
in european / amercan classification
 
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Selon le ministère japonais de la Défense, 1 destroyer Type 052D et 2 frégates Type 054A de la PLA Navy ont traversé, vendredi dernier, le détroit de Tsushima pour entrer dans la mer du Japon. On notera que l'annonce est apparue 2 jours après les faits, assez inhabituel... (1/2)

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According to the Japanese Ministry of Defence, 1 destroyer type 052D and 2 frigates type 054A of the PLA Navy crossed, last Friday, the Strait of Tsushima to enter the sea of Japan. It will be noted that the announcement appeared 2 days after the facts, quite unusual... (1/2)

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(2/2)... et l'armée russe a également envoyé le même jour 4 chasseurs Su-35S et 4 bombardiers Tu-95 tourner autour de l'archipel. On ignore s'il y a eu une certaine coordination entre les Russes et les Chinois, ou un exercice conjoint sino-russe était en préparation, ou...

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(2/2)... And the Russian army also sent the same day 4 Su-35s hunters and 4 Tu-95 bombers to turn around the archipelago. It is not known whether there has been some coordination between the Russians and the Chinese, or a joint Sino-Russian exercise was in preparation, or...

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Mirabo

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You think you can guess more accurately than fzgfzy's inside information?

It's worth pointing out that fzgfzy himself is little more than a rumour collector just like us. The difference is that he's more familiar with the subject matter due to experience, and that on occasion it does seem that he has indirect access to insider information. Like the kind of stuff you hear from a shipyard friend at dinner, from the friend of a friend, etc.

"Outreached"?
Surely, you don't mean that you believe my perception is "superior" or "better" than the online rumours?

If that is what you mean, then that is flattering however ultimately I prefer to defer back to the original online rumours from people with a demonstrated track record rather than relying on my own intuition or deductions. I can try to model certain things using credible online rumours but I obviously cannot operate independent of them (none of us can).

The point to be made here isn't that one's perception is 'better' than the other's. Rather, rumors need to be evaluated in context; Outlandish rumors are conventionally given less consideration than conservative ones - as it should be. What makes 'big shrimps' like fzgfzy so reliable, despite their lack of inside connection, is that they make the right guesses at the right times.

By that same logic, rumors from people like Lucas Han should be taken with a grain of salt. Case in point: How believable is a nuclear-powered 003? Possible, but not very.

Given your analytical ability, you too should be able to make the right guesses at the right times.
 

Interstellar

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"Outreached"?
Surely, you don't mean that you believe my perception is "superior" or "better" than the online rumours?

If that is what you mean, then that is flattering however ultimately I prefer to defer back to the original online rumours from people with a demonstrated track record rather than relying on my own intuition or deductions. I can try to model certain things using credible online rumours but I obviously cannot operate independent of them (none of us can).



That said I'm interested in your opinion of the parts quoted -- i.e.: what about the 055 production and about the 075 LHD (and the rumoured 40k ton LHD) do you disagree with? As jobjed has written, those parts I described were from fzgfzy.

Compiling something is oftentimes a process of sifting the rumors these "big shrimps" heard of. Occasionally, I comment to some of them in private and they asked me for my opinion as well. I don't mean to offense but it is kind of weird finding out people take the rumors they digested seriously. Having high perception is somehow even prior to being "informed" from my point of view.

It's worth pointing out that fzgfzy himself is little more than a rumour collector just like us. The difference is that he's more familiar with the subject matter due to experience, and that on occasion it does seem that he has indirect access to insider information. Like the kind of stuff you hear from a shipyard friend at dinner, from the friend of a friend, etc.



The point to be made here isn't that one's perception is 'better' than the other's. Rather, rumors need to be evaluated in context; Outlandish rumors are conventionally given less consideration than conservative ones - as it should be. What makes 'big shrimps' like fzgfzy so reliable, despite their lack of inside connection, is that they make the right guesses at the right times.

By that same logic, rumors from people like Lucas Han should be taken with a grain of salt. Case in point: How believable is a nuclear-powered 003? Possible, but not very.

Given your analytical ability, you too should be able to make the right guesses at the right times.

Very well said:)
 

Blitzo

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The point to be made here isn't that one's perception is 'better' than the other's. Rather, rumors need to be evaluated in context; Outlandish rumors are conventionally given less consideration than conservative ones - as it should be. What makes 'big shrimps' like fzgfzy so reliable, despite their lack of inside connection, is that they make the right guesses at the right times.

By that same logic, rumors from people like Lucas Han should be taken with a grain of salt. Case in point: How believable is a nuclear-powered 003? Possible, but not very.

Given your analytical ability, you too should be able to make the right guesses at the right times.

Yes, that is what I imagined Interstellar was probably trying to say. I was just a little confused as to his word choice ("ability of perception" and "outreached").

As for the role of online rumours, I believe for the likes of us they are central. Not every rumour should be taken seriously and not certainly not every individual who claims to have insider information should be taken seriously either.
However, we still need online rumours to have some material to work with. Regardless of how good our own analytical abilities or logic may be, we cannot merely extrapolate things from nothing. It's like prospecting for gold -- you can be as skilled or as well equipped as you want, but you still need some good land to find the gold in the dirt in the first place. One cannot prospect thin air for gold.

And I certainly agree that rumours need to be evaluated in context of course, and outlandish ones need to be dismissed. But in this day and age what is outlandish and what is realistic? 10 years ago I would've laughed the idea of the PLAN having a destroyer like 055 out of the room, let alone the prospect of 4 such ships being launched within the space of 1 year.
Of course this isn't to say I believe 003 will be nuclear powered.
But it does mean I think the "initial" 3 075 order, the idea of a larger 075 variant, and the prospects of a large 055 production run (as well as 052D/E production run) aren't too crazy.




Compiling something is oftentimes a process of sifting the rumors these "big shrimps" heard of. Occasionally, I comment to some of them in private and they asked me for my opinion as well. I don't mean to offense but it is kind of weird finding out people take the rumors they digested seriously.

I see what you mean.

I think rumours being taken "seriously" is all relative. There are rumours, and then there are rumours. Rumours from some people who have been open and willing to make some predictions in the past and who had been demonstrated correct will naturally be given more credibility.

Meaning if those people repeat rumours in the future, the fact that they made some correct predictions in the past means they will be taken seriously in the future as well.

Also, the fact that people like fzgfzy are willing to simply put out numbers is also very attractive to us even if they may be rumours. For example, saying that we'll see 12 055s and that it is a "small number" or saying we can expect 3 075s, and that a larger successor is under development etc.
That kind of stuff is all straightforward and not very "cryptic".

Even if those predictions do not end up perfectly true in time, we need something to start and work with if we want to even try to do an educated guess for say, what the PLAN looks like in 2030 (11 years away). It's the equivalent of being in the year 2009 and guessing what the PLAN would look like in 2020/next year! Obviously there will be inaccuracies but efforts should be made nonetheless, and people like fzgfzy are the best we have so far.

But if you have alternative opinions about things like production rate/orders I'm very happy to see them.



Having high perception is somehow even prior to being "informed" from my point of view.

I don't quite understand what you mean here, specifically I don't know what "high perception" and "informed" means in this context.
 

Interstellar

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I don't quite understand what you mean here, specifically I don't know what "high perception" and "informed" means in this context.

Here's a recent anecdote, a "big shrimp" was informed the keel of a fourth ship has shown up in the 300,000-ton dry dock of the No.1 Workshop, DSIC and soon announced that it is the seventh Type 055 destroyer even after I pointed out for him which is no more than another Type 052D (as what I have posted here half a year ago). He claimed that he's "more resourceful" than I am and I wouldn't deny that. I suppose you knew the rest of the story.:)
 

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Vessels attached to a far-sea joint training flotilla with the navy under the PLA Southern Theater Command steam in formation during a recent maritime air-defense and anti-missile drill in waters of the Pacific Ocean. The flotilla comprised of the guided-missile destroyer Hefei (Hull 174), the guided-missile frigate Yuncheng (Hull 571), the amphibious dock landing ship Changbaishan (Hull 989) and the comprehensive supply ship Honghu (Hull 963). (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhou Qiqing)

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Sailors assigned to a far-sea joint training flotilla with the navy under the PLA Southern Theater Command make light signals aboard the guided-missile destroyer Hefei (Hull 174) during a recent maritime air-defense and anti-missile drill in waters of the Pacific Ocean. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhou Qiqing)

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The guided-missile destroyer Hefei (Hull 174) attached to a far-sea joint training flotilla with the navy under the PLA Southern Theater Command fires its close-in weapons system at mock sea targets during a recent maritime air-defense and anti-missile drill in waters of the Pacific Ocean. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhou Qiqing)

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A ship-borne helicopter attached to a far-sea joint training flotilla with the navy under the PLA Southern Theater Command lifts off during a recent maritime air-defense and anti-missile drill in waters of the Pacific Ocean.(eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhou Qiqing)

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The amphibious dock Changbaishan (Hull 989) attached to a far-sea joint training flotilla with the navy under the PLA Southern Theater Command steam in waters of the Pacific Ocean. (eng.chinamil.com.cn/Photo by Zhou Qiqing)
 
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