Chinese shipbuilding industry

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Orthan said:
Why not? probably no one will buy one because its too expensive to aquire and maintain, but if some country wanted, i dont see why wouldnt china produce it for them.

Also i find it very odd that ukraine seems to have a booth in a russian military exibit...
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Some models are there to show off the shipmaker's shipbuilding prowess, so you bring in something to boast about.
 
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gelgoog said:
The shipyards are in Ukraine now. That's why they don't get Russian orders. The Ukrainian economy is too small to order large vessels like that. Ukraine has about as much population as Spain and as much landmass as France. If it were not for the corruption it has with the large agricultural sector and experience in mechanical engineering they have from Soviet times (tanks, aircraft, missiles, and ships) they could at least have the capability to build a small carrier. Much like Russia in Yeltsin's time there are a couple of oligarchs who control most of the wealth and they simply don't pay taxes. Most of the politicians are even more crooked than the oligarchs and don't care about the state of the country.

Russia's major shipyards right now are in St. Petersburg. They built the Kirov battlecruisers there in Soviet times so they can easily build something like the Mistral or a small carrier like the ones Spain and Italy have. There are rumors they are building larger dry dock facilities which could build something like the Kuznetsov class in there. But the shipyards have been kind of bogged down because of lack of availability of marine gas turbines after the war on Ukraine (which is where the Soviet marine gas turbine industry was located). The Russians also cannot source marine diesels from Germany anymore because of EU economic sanctions on Russia. So they've had to build Russian native marine turbines based on their aviation turbines. The large diesels IIRC were based on improved locomotive diesels.

Supposedly they have these Russian native engines in production right now so I expect the Russian naval buildup to ramp over the next 5 years. The Ukrainian suppliers of these engines are probably more hurt by the sanctions than the Russians are. They don't have that many clients for this kinda of material. Maybe China and India. But China is already capable of building their own marine gas turbine engines and have no need to resort to imports from Ukraine anymore.
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There are three major shipyard locations.

Severodonetsk which is past Murmansk and faces the Arctic Ocean. This place makes all the big nuclear subs.
St. Petersburg, like you said, which made many ships including the Admiral Gorshkov class.
In the Black Sea like Yantar shipyards, which made the Admiral Grigorovich class.

In Yantar, the Russians are building two Admiral Grigorovich class for India, but India has to purchase the gas turbines from the Ukraine. A third ship will be built for the Russian Navy using Russian GT.

You are right that the Ukrainian suppliers are going to be hurt for the lack of business and China does not import from them anymore, the last two engines went to the first two Type 052C. I won't be surprised they will start laying off and the people are going to Russia or China for employment.
 
asif iqbal

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I don’t think engines is the only issue for Russia

Building warships is expensive they simply don’t have the cash to build big warships anymore

Not only that keeping them updated and upgraded is another

Deployment is another
 
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Richard Santos said:
What is the large catamaran in these photos?
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Would it be better to quote your reply? Otherwise people will have a hard time knowing what you are referring to.

If you refer to the displays on the other page, the big catamaran is a proposed frigate for export, the small one seems to be a corvette.
 
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1:45 scale model of Tan Suo Yi Hao, or Explore One, at the 6th Mianyang Technology Expo. It's an ocean research vessel and the mothership of the new manned submersible Shenhai Yongshi, or Deep Sea Warrior.

Length: 94.45m
Beam: 17.9m
Full-load Displacement: 6250 metric tons

I'm not certain how to translate the terms "2级动力定体系统" and "定点作业", which might impact the following translation:
Capable of fixed-position(?) operations in sea state 6; can safely and reliably deploy manned or unmanned submersibles as well as operating deep sea-floor/sea-bed machines (remote controlled robots?).

I think "动力定体系统" should translate as
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, but I'm unsure what "2级" actually implies.

"定点作业" might mean "fixed-position operations", as in using the ship's thrusters and propellers to dynamically maintain a fixed position in order to safely deploy and operate a submersible.

(2048 x 1536)
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A scale model of the submersible Shenhai Yongshi (Deep Sea Warrior) is shown on the right.
(2000 x 1125)
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asif iqbal

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What does China-re mean ?

Hopefully they will use modified Z9 helicopters and not a Russian one

Nothing worse than China leading R&D with Russian chopper flying around in the background

Puts whole image at stake
 
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