F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

I thought I'd give up, but I need to say something after this sentence of yours:
The Last Air to Air kills done in battle were with Medium to long Range Air to Air missiles too.

Sep 16, 2017
I now watched most of the vid

related to the discussion I had in another thread Sep 4, 2017
is since this moment:

[the image hosting site is gone, but now found the picture and the moment is 05:39]


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the pilot saying "As we've been taught: try something different ..."
it's related to the real world situation

How did a 30 year-old Su-22 defeat a modern AIM-9X?
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the thing is an AMRAAM was used at a close range (because a Sidewinder had failed)

LOL ironically you're right, as the last air-to-air kill has been scored by a longer ranged AAM, but that's not the point

the point is what an aircraft will be able achieve beyond what was planned for it in headquarters decades ago,

which here means if F-35s are, or aren't, over-reliant on long-ranged weapons,

EDIT in other words, if it turned out something more would have to be done than just to launch from tens of miles away and disappear
 
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Wednesday at 9:31 AM
The U.S. Air Force Is Hiding Its Controversial Flyoff Between the A-10 and F-35

July 10, 2018
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while
Jan 28, 2018
now
DoD Says A-10 vs. F-35 'Fly-Off' Is Over. But Will Results Satisfy?
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While the congressionally mandated close-air support tests between the
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and
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wrapped up this week, lawmakers may not be satisfied with the results as questions continue to swirl about how each performed.
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"I personally wrote the specific provisions in the [Fiscal 2017 National Defense Authorization Act] mandating a fly-off between the F-35 & A-10," Rep. Martha McSally, an Arizona Republican, tweeted Friday. "It must be carried out per Congressional intent & direction."

McSally, a former A-10 pilot whose home state includes
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, said she had reached out to
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Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein to "ensure an objective comparison."

The requirement that the two aircraft go up against each other was included as a
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amid congressional concerns over plans to retire the A-10 and replace it with the F-35. McSally was one of the architects of the bill's language.

Her comments follow a
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that slams what it calls skewed testing techniques, saying the flights overwhelmingly favored the F-35.

The watchdog organization, which obtained the Air Force's test schedule and spoke to unidentified sources relevant to the event, claimed that the limited flights also curbed the A-10's strengths while downplaying the F-35's troubled past and current program stumbles.

The Defense Department says it is complying with
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.

The JSF operational test team and other Initial Operational Test and Evaluation officials "faithfully executed" the F-35 vs. A-10 comparison test "in accordance with the IOT&E test design approved in 2016," and did so in compliance with 2017 NDAA requirements, said
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Lt. Col. Michelle L. Baldanza, spokeswoman for the Office of the Director, Operational Test and Evaluation (DOT&E).

The testing happened from July 5 to 12 at
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, California, Baldanza said in an email.

"The [Joint Operational Test Team] will continue to schedule and fly the remaining comparison test design missions when additional A-10s become available," she said.

She said the data points collected will add to the scope of the side-by-side comparison test.

The "matched-pair" fourth-generation A-10 and fifth-generation
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comparison test close-air support missions "are realistic scenarios involving a Joint Terminal Attack Controller (JTAC), surface-to-air threats, some live and inert air-to-ground weapons employment, and varying target types," which include "moving target vehicles and armored vehicles across different conditions," such as day and night operations and low-to-medium threat levels, Baldanza said.

"The challenging scenarios are designed to reveal the strengths and limitations of each aircraft," she said, referring to radars, sensors, infrared signatures, fuel levels, loiter time, weapons capability, electronic warfare and datalinks.

"Each test design scenario is repeated by both aircraft types while allowing them to employ per their best/preferred tactics and actual/simulated weapons loads," Baldanza said. "Therefore, references to individual scenarios or specific weapons loadouts will not reflect the full scope of the comparison test evaluation."

DOT&E will analyze the flight test data collected and results will be compiled in an IOT&E report as well as DOT&E's "Beyond Low-Rate Initial Production" report.

The reports will offer comparative analyses of "differences, strengths, and weaknesses of the F-35A versus the A-10 across the prescribed comparison test mission types [and/or] scenarios," the DoD said.

For these reasons, the Air Force has consistently avoided calling the
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Aviation enthusiasts and pilots have also said putting the the two aircraft side-by-side remains an apples-to-oranges comparison.

In addition to a variety of rockets, missiles and bombs fastened to hardpoints under its wings, the A-10 most notably employs its
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, which produces an iconic sound that ground troops never forget.

"There's just nothing that matches the devastation that that gun can bring," A-10 pilot "Geronimo"
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"Grunts in the Sky: The A-10 in Afghanistan." The nearly four-year-old footage was made public in January.

"The ground troops that I work with -- when they think close-air support, they think A-10s," Staff Sgt. Joseph Hauser, a Joint Terminal Attack Controller then based at Forward Operating Base Ghazni in Afghanistan, said in the footage.

But the F-35, a stealth platform with high-detection sensors that is
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once its
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, is meant to penetrate a contested airspace using its very-low-observable abilities.

Those qualities are what will get the fighter through the door before it performs a CAS-type role, officials say.

"In a contested CAS scenario, a JTAC would absolutely want to call this airplane in, and we practice just that," said Capt. Dojo Olson, the Air Force's F-35A Heritage Flight Team commander and a pilot with the 56th Fighter Wing at
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, Arizona.

Olson spoke with Military.com during the Royal International Air Tattoo airshow here at RAF Fairford, England.

"We practice close-air support, and we practice contested close-air support, or providing close-air support in a battlespace that is not just totally permissive to fourth-generation airplanes," he said.

"We foresee future combat environments where even in close-air support, even in counterinsurgency operations, there will be air defense systems," added Steve Over, F-35 international business development director. "And you need to have sensors that will be able to find the target."

The service has also expanded how it defines close-air support. For example, bombers such as the
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and
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can execute
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-- but only by using precision-guided weapons.

"It may not do it the exact same way as legacy systems do," Over said. "The most prominent legacy close-air support platform that's currently in use is the A-10, and it
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."

He added that the F-35A model also has a Gatling gun --
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, made by General Dynamics. "But more than likely it's going to be using other precision-guided munitions" such as small-diameter or laser-guided bombs, he said.

Olson agreed.

"You can provide [CAS] from a precision-strike platform from tens of thousands of feet in the air, so there's a lot of different types of" the mission, he said. "Getting up close and personal like an A-10? Of course, the airplanes … they're apples and oranges."
 
Jun 29, 2018
can't find the last post on Lot 11 quickly, anyway
Pentagon, Lockheed Martin Close To Securing F-35 Lot 11

Jun 28, 2018
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now
Pentagon reaches handshake deal with Lockheed on newest batch of F-35s

5 hours ago
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The Pentagon and Lockheed Martin have reached a handshake deal for the eleventh batch of
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, the Pentagon’s top acquisistion official confirmed July 15.

The
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for the F-35 program, purchasing 141 jets for U.S. and international customers.

"The JPO and Lockheed Martin have made progress and are in the final stages of negotiation on the Lot 11 production contract,” said Ellen Lord, the Pentagon’s undersecretary for acquisition and sustainment, in a statement.

“We have a handshake agreement which symbolizes the Department of Defense’s commitment to not only equip our warfighters with the world’s greatest fifth generation aircraft, but it also represents great value to the U.S. taxpayers, our allies and international partners. With each production lot, the F-35 unit recurring flyaway costs continue to come down across the board.”

Neither the Defense Department nor Lockheed disclosed either the total contract value nor the unit costs of the latest order, but a Lockheed spokesperson said
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of an F-35A conventional takeoff and landing model — the most widely used variant — to $80 million by 2020.

In a statement, the Lockheed spokesperson stated that the total contract value and price per copy would be released once the contract was finalized, but the “unit price for all three F-35 variants went down significantly in the latest negotiation, demonstrating the program's continued progress, maturity and cost reduction.”

A contract for the tenth lot of low rate initial production (LRIP) F-35s, as announced in February 2017, lowered the price of an F-35A to $94.6 million — the first time any version of the joint strike fighter had been sold for less than $100 million. The F-35B jump-jet model used by the U.S. Marine Corps came in at $122.8 million, while the F-35C carrier version sat at $121.8 million.

Lockheed and the Pentagon took longer to reach a final contract agreement than either party would have liked, as the department’s F-35 Joint Program Office had hoped to finalize an LRIP 11 contract last year. However, the deal could represent a sea change for the relationship, which soured considerably during the LRIP 9 and 10 negotiations.

After months of LRIP 9 negotiations went nowhere, the JPO in 2016 forced Lockheed Martin to abide by a unilateral contract action, which allowed the Pentagon to set the price of an aircraft and Lockheed’s fee without input from the company.

Then, F-35 costs
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, who publicly lambasted the program and positioned Boeing’s Super Hornet as an alternative. The pressure helped the Pentagon and Lockheed make a deal on LRIP 10 in February 2017, with unit costs reduced by about 7.5 percent when compared with the ninth batch of jets.

The announcement of the today’s deal follows a $2 billion contract award made to Pratt & Whitney in May for the eleventh batch of F-35 engines. Pratt manufactures the F135 engine used in every version of the jet.

Going forward, Lockheed and the Pentagon will negotiate lots 12, 13 and 14 together as part of a block buy that will initially encompass international orders but could also accommodate the U.S. services as early as lot 13.

The Lockheed spokesman stated that the LRIP 11 deal “along with the technical stability of the aircraft, puts us on a great path to negotiate Lots 12, 13 and 14 as a Block Buy, which will generate additional savings for our customers.”
 

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Price of Lockheed Martin F-35 falls 6% to below $90 million

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Highlights
  • US has struck a preliminary deal to buy F-35 jets from Lockheed Martin worth about $13 billion
  • The deal lowers the price of the F-35A, the most common version of the stealthy fighter jet, to about $89 million
  • Bringing down the cost of the world’s most expensive defence program is crucial to securing more orders

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Price of Lockheed Martin F-35 falls 6% to below $90 million

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Highlights
  • US has struck a preliminary deal to buy F-35 jets from Lockheed Martin worth about $13 billion
  • The deal lowers the price of the F-35A, the most common version of the stealthy fighter jet, to about $89 million
  • Bringing down the cost of the world’s most expensive defence program is crucial to securing more orders

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OUTSTANDING...just like they said it would.

And the beat goes on!
 
inside SeaPowerMagazine
Jun 16, 2018
:
Yesterday at 8:37 PMnow this story:
Raytheon to Deliver Next-Generation F-35 Sensor System
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"... The Raytheon-built DAS will be integrated into F-35s starting with Lot 15 aircraft, expected to begin deliveries in 2023. The next-generation DAS system is estimated to generate the following results compared to the current system:

...
■ Five times more reliability.
..."


while now

"The DAS we did select is about two times more capable and three times more reliable than the current DAS," says Ulmer.

(Ulmer =
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)

according to
FARNBOROUGH: Lockheed targets F-35 reliability and sustainment costs
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Friday at 7:48 AM
interesting from both the military and PR viewpoints is
Essex Amphibious Ready Group Quietly Deployed on Tuesday with Marine F-35s
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and the plot thickens:
Marines' F-35B Fighters Headed to Middle East for the First Time
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About 5,000 U.S. troops are sailing toward the Middle East with an
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detachment, marking the first time the American Joint Strike Fighters are likely to conduct real-world combat operations.

Sailors and
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with the Essex Amphibious Ready Group and 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit left San Diego last week for a six-month
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to the Middle East and Western Pacific. The three-ship ARG includes the
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, amphibious transport dock Anchorage and dock landing ship Rushmore.

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The 13th MEU includes an F-35B detachment from Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 211, based out of Yuma, Arizona.

"This is the newest and most lethal aircraft that the Joint Force has, and the fact that it's coming into the [U.S. Central Command] theater and potentially seeing some combat operations is a big deal," Lt. Col. Jaime Macias, chief of plans at Marine Corps Forces Central Command, said in a Marine Corps news release leading up to the deployment.

ARG-MEU deployments are typically publicized by the Defense Department, but this one -- the first to leave the U.S. with an F-35 attack squadron detachment -- was not. Citing operational security, officials declined to explain the change in policy.

"The Essex Amphibious Ready Group with embarked 13th Marine Expeditionary Unit got underway from San Diego, July 10," Lt. Tim Gorman, a U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman, said in a statement. "For reasons of operational security, we are not publicly disclosing any additional details."

USNI was
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on the ARG-MEU's quiet departure. Members of the MEU this one is set to replace were sent into Syria earlier this year to fight the Islamic State,
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.

The sailors and Marines conducted a six-month-long certification process before departing last week. The team is ready to respond to crises that erupt during their deployment, according to a
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about the workup.

The Marine Corps' variant of the Lightning II stealth jet is designed for sea deployments since it can take off and land vertically.

"Throughout the training, we've seen this platform increase our ability to gain a foothold for our operations," the video states. "This is the most capable aviation platform to support our riflemen on the ground."

In addition to the F-35 detachment, the MEU also includes Battalion Landing Team 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines; Combat Logistics Battalion 13; Marine Medium Tiltrotor Squadron 166; and a command element.

This marks the second time in four months that the F-35B has deployed aboard a
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ship. In March, members of the Japan-based Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 121
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from aboard the amphibious assault ship Wasp.

The East Coast-based Iwo Jima ARG and 26th MEU are slated to wrap up a Middle East deployment next month as these Marines and sailors move in.
 
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