PLAN Anti-ship/surface missiles

SinoSoldier

Colonel
In BBS there has been discussions about how to improve upon the LRASM concept and maybe even delete its only vulnerability, which is its subsonic terminal stage approach where its stealth is less effective against FLIR and optical targeting.

Many think the best way is to make a stealth YJ-18/Klub with supersonic terminal stage. But one difficulty here is that stealth-shaping and supersonic speeds are often in conflict with each other. One good idea that has been floated around is a stealthy drop-tank plus subsonic turbojet engine stage that encases the entire supersonic terminal stage, which is more conventionally shaped. When the stealth missile has reached the visual range of the target, the entire stealth stage will be discarded like drop tanks on a plane and the rocket boosted penetrator in the center released.

One problem I see with this concept would be that one has to duplicate the seekers, one for the stealth case and one for the penetrator, which would make it quite heavy and may impact range/limit launch platform options.

What do you guys think? Do you have any better ideas of how to make a stealth missile with supersonic terminal stage?

In any case, I hope that CASIC will not only make a single stealth missile that is compatible for newer platforms, but also makes a cheaper stealth missile that can replace the YJ-83 without modification for the surface combattants. Ideally, the same cannisters (or at least same sized) should be used.

Haha not to toot my own horn but I do vaguely recall proposing the very concept here on SDF. A "stealthy canister" would encase the entire supersonic dash stage and fall off just before the stage ignites; the seeker could be placed on the supersonic dash stage but have the "stealthy canister" enclose it right after the seeker portion, allowing guidance to be achieved without the need for two separate seekers.
 

latenlazy

Brigadier
In BBS there has been discussions about how to improve upon the LRASM concept and maybe even delete its only vulnerability, which is its subsonic terminal stage approach where its stealth is less effective against FLIR and optical targeting.

Many think the best way is to make a stealth YJ-18/Klub with supersonic terminal stage. But one difficulty here is that stealth-shaping and supersonic speeds are often in conflict with each other. One good idea that has been floated around is a stealthy drop-tank plus subsonic turbojet engine stage that encases the entire supersonic terminal stage, which is more conventionally shaped. When the stealth missile has reached the visual range of the target, the entire stealth stage will be discarded like drop tanks on a plane and the rocket boosted penetrator in the center released.

One problem I see with this concept would be that one has to duplicate the seekers, one for the stealth case and one for the penetrator, which would make it quite heavy and may impact range/limit launch platform options.

What do you guys think? Do you have any better ideas of how to make a stealth missile with supersonic terminal stage?

In any case, I hope that CASIC will not only make a single stealth missile that is compatible for newer platforms, but also makes a cheaper stealth missile that can replace the YJ-83 without modification for the surface combattants. Ideally, the same cannisters (or at least same sized) should be used.
You can make a stealthy missile with a supersonic terminal stage. The problem is you will sacrifice some range. These workarounds all make that particular point of compromise worse, not better.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Another big development on Chinese missile
PLA to put antennae on missiles to counter jamming devices
Powerful antennae can shield signals between missiles and BeiDou satellites from interference as close as '100 meters' to a foe's jamming device
By Asia Times staff May 25, 2018 4:15 PM (UTC+8)
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Anti-interference antennae first adopted by China’s BeiDou satellite navigation system will be replicated and put onto missiles of the People’s Liberation Army, to make them more immune to radio or signal jamming while being guided by Chinese satellites.

A Beijing-based navigation technology firm attending this year’s China Satellite Navigation Exhibition in Harbin told the People’s Daily that the indigenous missile-borne anti-interference antennae could shield PLA missiles from jamming devices that target signals between missiles and the BeiDou satellites.

The antennae utilize “array signal processing” to track multiple energy sources. They can help PLA missiles transmit and receive signals as close as 100 meters from an enemy’s jamming device.

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There have been rumors that North Korean missiles also rely on the BeiDou system. Photo: Handout

Similar antennae are also said to have been installed on the J-15 fighters and H-6K bombers on board China’s aircraft carrier.

But Beijing Li Gong Navigation Technology Co, which has signed a deal with the PLA to provide such anti-jamming antennae, declined to reveal the specific types of missiles that would be fitted with the device.

This was a further admission by a major Beijing mouthpiece that the BeiDou system has a significant military role to play.

In a program aired by state broadcaster China Central TV in December 2014, a commentator revealed that the BeiDou system could guide and correct the trajectory of the PLA’s key nuclear deterrent – the DF-41 intercontinental ballistic missile, which has a range of up to 15,000 kilometers – so multiple thermonuclear warheads could hit targets “virtually anywhere on the planet”.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Henri K article on the stealth missile

China is developing a new stealth cruise missile?
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China is in the process of developing a new stealth cruise missile, at least that is what an article published in March on the site of CASIC Haiying Electromechanical Technology Academy, one of the main missile manufacturers of the country .

According to the text - which seems to have been removed recently by the Chinese manufacturer - new composite "sandwich" composite materials, created by an engineer called GONG Yuan Xun (宫 元勋) and his team, are used "very largely "in a certain project that has a high requirement in stealth, and that takes into consideration the" structural stealth "from the beginning of the design, in other words the geometrical / passive stealth.

The team had major difficulties in reconciling the mass, the thickness (of the hull?) And the need for broadband absorption. The obstacles that were eventually overcome in collaboration with the subcontracting factories to improve the training processes, and with the own laboratories of CASIC Institute No. 306.

The article also talks about two other competing institutions in another project for a stealth component, but no link can be established between the two projects mentioned here.

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Excerpt from one of the research documents co-authored by GONG Yuan Xun

Knowing that CASIC Haiying Electromechanical Technology Academy, formerly called CASIC 3rd Academy, is responsible for the development of most Chinese cruise and anti-ship missile, such as the DF-10, the KD-20 or the famous YJ-83 for example it is therefore safe to say that this "certain project" in question is in fact a stealth missile, except that we do not know whether it is a cruise missile or an anti-ship missile, although technically the border is thin between the two.

The new family of naval missiles YJ-18 is available in several versions for example, namely first the anti-ship version launched by a submarine, then the Mer-Mer version, the underwater version at launch. vertical, and finally the typing version on the ground.

It could be, in theory, a furtive version developed on the basis of YJ-18, but it remains a work guess.

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The anti-ship missile YJ-18A, developed by CASIC 3rd and launched by a destroyer Type 052D

And this is not the first time that we hear about the work on stealth conducted by the 3rd Academy CASIC. Indeed, another article published on December 15, 2015 on the Weixin account of the same institution mentions already a campaign of measurement of stealth around a "certain project", tests that took place "in autumn" in the middle of the desert Gobi, and this is the first time that the organization has had to participate in an evaluation against several competitors.

A more in-depth research on one of the personnel cited in the article, HAO Hao (郝 璐), shows that the work carried out since 2013 by the latter focuses mainly on absorbent materials applying to tactical missiles.

One of the patents filed by this researcher is a "stealth" tank of a cruise missile, as an example.

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Excerpt from a patent filed by a team including HAO Hao, showing the "stealth" tank of a missile

Our follow-up around composite materials in China also allowed to link a company specialized in the field with the "stealth" project (s) of CASIC 3e. The company based in Jiangsu Province,
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, has been a major player in fiber optics since 2007, and is capable of producing T1000 grade fibers that Japanese and Western companies have had the monopoly of so far.

There is no public evidence that Hengshen actually participated in the CASIC projects, but Zhenjiang City, where Haiying Electromechanical Technology Academy is located, and Hengshen also considered these two companies to be on the same industrial chain in
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And in a TV report CCTV dated September 16, 2017, the subject of which is the civil-military integration, we can see the composite cell of what Hengshen engineers confirmed as being that of a missile, without revealing however, none of its details.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Excerpt from a TV report from CCTV-2

There is still too little information to draw any conclusion on the subject. But one thing is certain, the Chinese industrialists are developing a new generation of missiles for the projection of forces, and we will have the opportunity to return to them very soon.

To be continued.

Henri K.
 

timepass

Brigadier
HQ-16 Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs)

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The Hong Qi 16 (Red Flag 16) or HQ-16 is a Chinese medium-range air defense missile system. Its development commenced in 2005. It is based on the Soviet Shtil naval air defense system, which in turn is a version of the Buk. China obtained the Russian Shtil air defense systems from Russia for use on their Sovremenny class and Type 052B class destroyers. Development of the Chinese missile was reportedly assisted by the Russian Almaz-Antey company. The HQ-16 can be seen as a Chinese improved equivalent of the Buk. The HQ-16 reached operational capability with the Chinese armed forces in 2011. Currently the HQ-16 is being widely used in China. Export version of this air defense system has been exported to Pakistan.

Even though HQ-16 uses Buk technology, it has some significant differences. Launchers of the Chinese SAM system are based on 6x6 high mobility truck rather than a tracked chassis. However radar is carried by another truck. Missiles are store in containers and are launched vertically.

In Chinese armed forces the HQ-16 fits the gap between the short-range HQ-7 and medium- to long rande HQ-9. This air defense system is mainly used to protect stationary assets such as airfields, command posts, concentration of troops, bridges, and other important targets.

Missile of the HQ-16 evolved from the Soviet 9M38 missile, used by the Buk. However the Chinese missile is more capable than its predecessor.

The HQ-16 has a maximum range against aircraft of 40 km. It can engage cruise missiles at a range of 3.5 to 18 km. This air defense system can engage very low flying and high altitude targets. It can reach targets at an altitude of up to 18 km. Claimed hit probability of an aircraft with a single missile is 85%. Hit probability of a cruise missile is 60%.

The HQ-16 launcher is based on Taian TA5350 6x6 special wheeled chassis. The TEL carries 6 containers with missiles. Missiles are launcher vertically. Two missiles can be launched within a short period of time.

A battery of the HQ-16 consists of four launcher vehicles, command post, two radar vehicles, missile transport and reloading vehicles, power supply vehicles and so on. Most of them are based on the same 6x6 high mobility chassis.

The radar detects enemy aircraft at a range of 140 km and altitude of 20 km. The radar can detect up to 144 and track up to 48 targets simultaneously.

Variants

HHQ-16 (Red Sea 16) is a naval version of the HQ-16.
HQ-16A is an improved version that uses improved missile with slightly better performance.
LY-80 is an export version of the HQ-16A. It incorporates cold vertical launch method. It was first presented and is being proposed since 2011. In 2013-2015 Pakistan ordered a number of LY-80 missile systems. It looks like deliveries commenced in 2017.
HQ-16B is a further improved version with extended range. Its missile has improved rocket motor and revised wings. Missiles range increased from 40 km to 70 km. This system was revealed in 2016.
 
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