They are likely to have changed it. It is such a ridiculous remark, mistake.
China's SCS Strategy Thread
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Jura The idiot
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LOL delft you're right, I realized I had posted the full text of that article Tuesday at 7:53 PM
and Hawaii is in there (I didn't notice while posting, and then was just checking the version you linked Wednesday at 1:01 PM
)
you have a double catch, DefenseNews and me! LOL!
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
What is the French doing in SCS? They said the Chinese submarine is very active in SCS well it is the worst kept secret. No surprise there but at least confirmation. France is sticking its nose were it does not belong. But the route look like it is "innocent passage"
The unprecedented journey of a FREMM frigate in the South China Sea
The frigate Auvergne , the fifth and most recent FREMM class admitted by the French Navy just seven months ago, carried out an intelligence mission in the South China Sea at the end of October. His career, unpublished, was reported by journalist Nathalie Guibert in .
If the elements revealed in the text are accurate, they allow us not only to trace the path of this last generation anti-submarine frigate in this region of all tensions, but also to deduce the focus of his mission.
Fitted August 18 at the port of Toulon for its first long-term deployment, the FREMM was scheduled to sail to the Indian Ocean for four months. Has the recent discussion between the Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly with India, which promised France's , pushed the ship to change course and to go further than what was planned, to show the Indians the concrete interests of this new Franco-Indian marriage? It is unknown, and in any case it is only "corridor noise", at least for the moment.
Be that as it may, the route of the new frigate FREMM in the South China Sea has been reconstructed, in an approximate way, thanks to the details provided in the article of the World, from its departure from the Malay port Kota Kinabalu on October 20 until at the last known point of the ship's position at the Paracels five days later.
The estimated course of frigate FREMM Auvergne (Image: East Pendulum)
If this first diagram, which shows the French frigate went "to make a grand tour" in the South China Sea, is little talking at first glance, just add a few strategic positions held by the Chinese army to see more clearly .
We note at first that if the text speaks of a "transit without aggressiveness" for the first part of the patrol, with "radars and identification system cut, sonars off, helicopter hangar" approaching the "10th parallel "(10 ° N), and" 12.7 mm machine guns were armed on the flanks of the bridge ", probably because the FREMM was about to grapple with the Chinese" iron triangle "in Spratleys, consisting of three main reefs enlarged and fortified by China south of the South China Sea.
Indeed, the line "10th parallel" crosses from west to east this triangle connecting the reef of Fiery Cross, the reef of Subi and the reef of Mischief. , capable of installing Airbus A320 or Boeing 737, as well as other military installations, both defensive and offensive.
Although China actually controls much fewer atolls and islets than its neighbors in the region, its logistical capacity and permanent military presence in the area is highest thanks to this infrastructure ¹ built at a record speed .
The supposed crossing of the Auvergne and the main Chinese fortified islands in the Spratleys (Picture; East Pendulum)
But the Spratleys do not seem to be the priority for Auvergne , since the frigate would have simply crossed, and not turned on zone, keeping a relatively stable speed, around 10 nautical miles, ideal for the operation of the onboard and airborne sonars , before heading straight for his second waypoint, Scarborough Reef.
China resumed effective control of this reef at the end of 2012, held in the hands of the Philippines since May 1997. Located less than 300 km from Subic Bay, the former second largest military installation abroad of the Chinese Armed Forces. United States, this 12km × 13km atoll is a strategic point to lock the eastern part of the South China Sea. .
The Scarborough Reef is strategic not only because of its geographical location and great potential for civilian and military operations, but also because it allows for the formation of yet another "iron triangle", even larger, with the Spratleys of a side, and the Paracels on the other.
Once fortified, the new artificial "island" would play a role of strategic support on the eastern side for China in the South China Sea, hence the recent recent incidents between the Chinese army and the US Army around that place (see our file " ").
Scarborough Reef and Subic Bay (Image: East Pendulum)
The two Chinese "iron triangles" in the South China Sea (Image: East Pendulum)
And it is precisely at the Paracels, located in the northern part of the South China Sea, close to the Chinese mainland, that the French frigate spent the longest time.
The interpretation of the article of the World suggests that the Auvergne would have remained in the waters of this archipelago for two days, in an area of less than 100 km long. Here, we are mostly within 400 km of the largest naval submarine base of Chinese nuclear submarines, Yalong Port on Hainan Island, where SNA Type 09III and SSBN Type 09IV are stationed.
Is it because the FREMM stayed there too long, to the point that the Chinese navy reacted, finally, by having a maritime patrol aircraft come over the ship, even if the commander of the ship - the captain Xavier Breitel - judged the flight of the Chinese aircraft "very professional", and that "the boat has never felt threatened"?
The presence of frigate FREMM Auvergne in the Paracels (Image: East Pendulum)
We ignore it, again. But the reaction of the French commander is to be compared with the refrain of the American armed forces against their Chinese colleagues, systematically judging them "unprofessional" during the interception or reconnaissance maneuvers.
Does one way or another make it known, as the article indicates, "France wants to be different from the United States"?
Finally, we also note that the Chinese submarine forces seem to be very present in the South China Sea. The FREMM frigate and its Cayman Marine detachment of the 31F have detected at least three times, if not more, possibly underwater contacts. In addition to the Chinese nuclear submarines based in Yalong, the southern Chinese fleet also has a dozen Project 636M diesel submarines of Russian origin and Type 039 indigenous.
But the region is especially conducive for deep-sea submarines, which would explain why we are likely to see come, in three to four years, two new types of Chinese submarine designed almost exclusively for the zone patrol.
To be continued.
Henri K.
The unprecedented journey of a FREMM frigate in the South China Sea
The frigate Auvergne , the fifth and most recent FREMM class admitted by the French Navy just seven months ago, carried out an intelligence mission in the South China Sea at the end of October. His career, unpublished, was reported by journalist Nathalie Guibert in .
If the elements revealed in the text are accurate, they allow us not only to trace the path of this last generation anti-submarine frigate in this region of all tensions, but also to deduce the focus of his mission.
Fitted August 18 at the port of Toulon for its first long-term deployment, the FREMM was scheduled to sail to the Indian Ocean for four months. Has the recent discussion between the Armed Forces Minister Florence Parly with India, which promised France's , pushed the ship to change course and to go further than what was planned, to show the Indians the concrete interests of this new Franco-Indian marriage? It is unknown, and in any case it is only "corridor noise", at least for the moment.
Be that as it may, the route of the new frigate FREMM in the South China Sea has been reconstructed, in an approximate way, thanks to the details provided in the article of the World, from its departure from the Malay port Kota Kinabalu on October 20 until at the last known point of the ship's position at the Paracels five days later.
The estimated course of frigate FREMM Auvergne (Image: East Pendulum)
If this first diagram, which shows the French frigate went "to make a grand tour" in the South China Sea, is little talking at first glance, just add a few strategic positions held by the Chinese army to see more clearly .
We note at first that if the text speaks of a "transit without aggressiveness" for the first part of the patrol, with "radars and identification system cut, sonars off, helicopter hangar" approaching the "10th parallel "(10 ° N), and" 12.7 mm machine guns were armed on the flanks of the bridge ", probably because the FREMM was about to grapple with the Chinese" iron triangle "in Spratleys, consisting of three main reefs enlarged and fortified by China south of the South China Sea.
Indeed, the line "10th parallel" crosses from west to east this triangle connecting the reef of Fiery Cross, the reef of Subi and the reef of Mischief. , capable of installing Airbus A320 or Boeing 737, as well as other military installations, both defensive and offensive.
Although China actually controls much fewer atolls and islets than its neighbors in the region, its logistical capacity and permanent military presence in the area is highest thanks to this infrastructure ¹ built at a record speed .
The supposed crossing of the Auvergne and the main Chinese fortified islands in the Spratleys (Picture; East Pendulum)
But the Spratleys do not seem to be the priority for Auvergne , since the frigate would have simply crossed, and not turned on zone, keeping a relatively stable speed, around 10 nautical miles, ideal for the operation of the onboard and airborne sonars , before heading straight for his second waypoint, Scarborough Reef.
China resumed effective control of this reef at the end of 2012, held in the hands of the Philippines since May 1997. Located less than 300 km from Subic Bay, the former second largest military installation abroad of the Chinese Armed Forces. United States, this 12km × 13km atoll is a strategic point to lock the eastern part of the South China Sea. .
The Scarborough Reef is strategic not only because of its geographical location and great potential for civilian and military operations, but also because it allows for the formation of yet another "iron triangle", even larger, with the Spratleys of a side, and the Paracels on the other.
Once fortified, the new artificial "island" would play a role of strategic support on the eastern side for China in the South China Sea, hence the recent recent incidents between the Chinese army and the US Army around that place (see our file " ").
Scarborough Reef and Subic Bay (Image: East Pendulum)
The two Chinese "iron triangles" in the South China Sea (Image: East Pendulum)
And it is precisely at the Paracels, located in the northern part of the South China Sea, close to the Chinese mainland, that the French frigate spent the longest time.
The interpretation of the article of the World suggests that the Auvergne would have remained in the waters of this archipelago for two days, in an area of less than 100 km long. Here, we are mostly within 400 km of the largest naval submarine base of Chinese nuclear submarines, Yalong Port on Hainan Island, where SNA Type 09III and SSBN Type 09IV are stationed.
Is it because the FREMM stayed there too long, to the point that the Chinese navy reacted, finally, by having a maritime patrol aircraft come over the ship, even if the commander of the ship - the captain Xavier Breitel - judged the flight of the Chinese aircraft "very professional", and that "the boat has never felt threatened"?
The presence of frigate FREMM Auvergne in the Paracels (Image: East Pendulum)
We ignore it, again. But the reaction of the French commander is to be compared with the refrain of the American armed forces against their Chinese colleagues, systematically judging them "unprofessional" during the interception or reconnaissance maneuvers.
Does one way or another make it known, as the article indicates, "France wants to be different from the United States"?
Finally, we also note that the Chinese submarine forces seem to be very present in the South China Sea. The FREMM frigate and its Cayman Marine detachment of the 31F have detected at least three times, if not more, possibly underwater contacts. In addition to the Chinese nuclear submarines based in Yalong, the southern Chinese fleet also has a dozen Project 636M diesel submarines of Russian origin and Type 039 indigenous.
But the region is especially conducive for deep-sea submarines, which would explain why we are likely to see come, in three to four years, two new types of Chinese submarine designed almost exclusively for the zone patrol.
To be continued.
Henri K.
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Before post " BS " pay attention it is a tabloid ... crap... and Henri K is not pefect also
For SCS all ships are free to go there as Chinese pass in Mediterranean or in the Channel etc...same for Russians or other we respect FON !
In more it not a deployment this new FFG do her sea trials.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Just some empty cheapshot gestures from the French to try and get the Indians to buy more French arms.
France has zero interest to fight and die for Indian vainglorious pride if it provokes a war with China.
LOL
Maybe some G7 members should be taught a lesson. Not few of them still think it is either the 1840s or 1900s and their Eight Nation Alliance can simply sail up the Yangtze to burn, loot Chinese cities and massacre Chinese people for fun.
Would be especially nice to start with single unsupported Frigates like above. That arrogance should meet its well deserved punishment. And when the Frogs run crying to America and think that Article 5 is in order, China and Russia should hold an even larger wargame in the Med and the Baltics, as well as ample support for certain european separatists.
Would be especially nice to start with single unsupported Frigates like above. That arrogance should meet its well deserved punishment. And when the Frogs run crying to America and think that Article 5 is in order, China and Russia should hold an even larger wargame in the Med and the Baltics, as well as ample support for certain european separatists.
That would be an impulsive action which would be detrimental to China's long term interest in peacefully leading the region.
China has already won in the SCS with its forceful actions over the past few years, and the counties in the region look to China first instead of the US.
A Singapore think tank recently surveyed ASEAN decision makers earlier this year, and the consensus is that China is more important than in the USA.
That is separately corroborated by numerous articles from academics who report the same statements in their conversations with decision makers across the political and business spectrum in ASEAN.
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Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Via Xinhui from CDF
近日，标注有某论坛名称的海南陵水机场相关卫星图引起关注，而日期标注为9月19日的卫星图则显示，陵水机场可见BZK-005高空长航时远程无人侦察机两架、空警-500预警机两架、高新-6号反潜巡逻机2架。照片的真实性尚有待核实。无论如何，中国在自己的国土上在热点方向部署适当的侦察监视与防御性装备，再正常不过！提及陵水机场，不得不让人想起2001年那架EP-3降落到该机场的往事。今非昔比，强哉中国！
Google translate
Recently, the relevant satellite image of Hainan Lingshui Airport, has attracted the attention. The satellite image dated on September 19 shows that Lingshui Airport can see two long-range unmanned reconnaissance aircraft at BZK-005 , Two air-warning-KJ 500 early warning aircraft, two high-tech KQ 200 anti-submarine patrol aircraft . The authenticity of the photo has yet to be verified. In any case, it is no longer odd for China to deploy appropriate reconnaissance and surveillance and defensive equipment in its own homeland close to hot spot. When it comes to Lingshui Airport, it is tempting to recall the past when the EP-3 landed at the airport in 2001. Today is not the past, strong and sincere China!
近日，标注有某论坛名称的海南陵水机场相关卫星图引起关注，而日期标注为9月19日的卫星图则显示，陵水机场可见BZK-005高空长航时远程无人侦察机两架、空警-500预警机两架、高新-6号反潜巡逻机2架。照片的真实性尚有待核实。无论如何，中国在自己的国土上在热点方向部署适当的侦察监视与防御性装备，再正常不过！提及陵水机场，不得不让人想起2001年那架EP-3降落到该机场的往事。今非昔比，强哉中国！
Google translate
Recently, the relevant satellite image of Hainan Lingshui Airport, has attracted the attention. The satellite image dated on September 19 shows that Lingshui Airport can see two long-range unmanned reconnaissance aircraft at BZK-005 , Two air-warning-KJ 500 early warning aircraft, two high-tech KQ 200 anti-submarine patrol aircraft . The authenticity of the photo has yet to be verified. In any case, it is no longer odd for China to deploy appropriate reconnaissance and surveillance and defensive equipment in its own homeland close to hot spot. When it comes to Lingshui Airport, it is tempting to recall the past when the EP-3 landed at the airport in 2001. Today is not the past, strong and sincere China!