India incursion and Chinese standoff at Dolam, Bhutan

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Hendrik_2000

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Counting the chicken before it hatch. In 1962 China wait 9 months before acting .Right now China is watching how the situation in Korea transpired because it is priority
According to Cirr
Convoy consisting of thousands of military vehicles spotted on its way to Tibet. Pics posted then hastily removed.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Yesterday at 3:11 AM

Press Release
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June 29, 2017
it has been the official (here it is as of right now:
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now you,
Hendrik_2000
do you still uphold Wednesday at 6:21 PM
?

Bhutan is under the Thumb of Indian army So whatever they say should be taken with grain of salt
If they support Indian action they should say it loud and clear
Sofar they haven't said anything. Aside from that website

Bhutan can say it is under dispute but it is actually under the control of China as it is within their LOC
Pending the renewal of the boundary. the old 1890 agreement stand between British, Bhutan, China stand and valid
Just like any law the old law still valid until revision
So your pro India attitude doesn't hold water. China is the aggrieved party here and India is the aggressor. India has no right to meddle in the dispute
 
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Bhutan is under the Thumb of Indian army So whatever they say should be taken with grain of salt
If they support Indian action they should say it loud and clear
Sofar they haven't said anything. Aside from that website

Bhutan can say it is under dispute but it is actually under the control of China as it is within their LOC
Pending the renewal of the boundary. the old 1890 agreement stand between British, Bhutan, China stand and valid
Just like any law the old law still valid until revision
So your pro India attitude doesn't hold water. China is the aggrieved party here and India is the aggressor. India has no right to meddle in the dispute
back to my question:
Hendrik_2000
do you still uphold Wednesday at 6:21 PM
Wednesday at 6:21 PM

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According to Chinese military spokes person Bhutan acknowledge Doklam is chinese territory

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Beijing: In a stunning – but unsubstantiated – claim, a senior Chinese official said today (August 8) that Bhutan has acknowledged that the Doklam area where the Indian and Chinese troops are engaged in a stand-off does not belong to it.

China’s top diplomat on the boundary issue, Wang Wenli, told a visiting Indian media delegation that Bhutan has conveyed to Beijing through the diplomatic channels that the area of the stand-off is not its territory.
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?

I'll now rephrase:
did, or did not, Bhutan acknowledge this month "that the Doklam area where the Indian and Chinese troops are engaged in a stand-off does not belong to it"?


don't worry, I've been trying carefully check stuff all sides are saying for example (in the closed thread, can't quote directly #174 Jura, Jul 14, 2017):

... the historical claim of Tibet, which I looked into today;

from the 1876 map I found in
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(don't worry, I think I know what I'm doing)

I clipped out this:
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I approximated "the shoulder" of the Torsa River ...
where I've realized the Chinese claim might've been even bigger now etc. etc.
by the way later I even found the text of the Treaty of Calcutta in PDF:
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OK what's going on is I'm getting ready for the pub talk next week, want to know what the sides actually conceded, and what's the smokescreen
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
back to my question:
Hendrik_2000
do you still uphold Wednesday at 6:21 PM
Wednesday at 6:21 PM

?

I'll now rephrase:
did, or did not, Bhutan acknowledge this month "that the Doklam area where the Indian and Chinese troops are engaged in a stand-off does not belong to it"?


don't worry, I've been trying carefully check stuff all sides are saying for example (in the closed thread, can't quote directly #174 Jura, Jul 14, 2017):


where I've realized the Chinese claim might've been even bigger now etc. etc.
by the way later I even found the text of the Treaty of Calcutta in PDF:
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OK what's going on is I'm getting ready for the pub talk next week, want to know what the sides actually conceded, and what's the smokescreen

That is an old website that you reciting AD HOMINEN so it irrelevant to the Chinese official assertion
they probably has contact with the Bhutan diplomat
SOFAR NOTHING COMING OUT FROM BHUTAN GOVERNMENT TO REFUTE THE LATEST CHINESE ASSERTION
CAPRICI

DOKLAM IS DEJURE AND DEFACTO UNDER CHINESE CONTROL AND THEY CAN DO WHATEVER THEY WANT AND IT IS NONE OF INDIAN
BUSINESS

WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE IS INDIA RIGHT IN THEIR ACTION?
 
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An Appraisal Of Chinese Early Warning Sites In The Chumbi Valley
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pretty interesting, I acknowledge I found it while checking on:
Raj posted this pic
Ammunition point South of Rikaze activated. Hectic activities seen on 8/6/17

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now I looked at one of the sites;

first a general view (sorry about that banner, be sure to tell me how to get rid of it at mapquest.com; automatically marked is
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):
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now a closeup:
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should be available by clicking at:
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WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE IS INDIA RIGHT IN THEIR ACTION?
LOL easy man, I just look at what's going on in Himalaya; how could I ever "prove" anything from the middle of Europe??

by the way recently I've also checked Bhutan news in English ... the top story was some soccer game, so I quit
LOL
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
There is large chinese base next to the disputed area it is called Chumbi valley. Raj47 article on Chumbi valley radar facility. It will give the Chinese good surveillance over large area of India territory
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Next to it is Radar Facility
An Appraisal Of Chinese Early Warning Sites In The Chumbi Valley
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It has been understood since at least 1988, which was when the People’s Liberation Army Ground Force (PLAGF) first started work on a road towards Yatung, that China’s primary aims in the Chumbi Valley (CV) were two-fold:
  • First, to provide more ‘width’ to PLAGF positions in the otherwise narrow CV by occupying shoulders and high ridgelines overlooking the CV.
  • Second, to extend the PLAGF’s reach from the CV in a Southward direction by occupying Bhutanese territory to reduce the distance between its positions and that of India’s strategic nerve line, the Siliguri corridor.
No wonder, India’s legally correct stance to intervene at Bhutan’s invitation against China’s illegal occupation of Bhutanese territory has irked the latter in such a major way.

With the
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now entering its 7th week, it would be worthwhile for the Delhi Defence Review to examine the air defence(AD) posture of the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) in light of the potential for the situation to escalate into a conflict, howsoever unwanted or unwarranted. This article focuses primarily on China’s early warning (EW) deployment in the CV.

EW Sites
Since the area is mountainous, it needs very well trialed and tested sites, especially for EW deployment. Obviously, EW coverage in valleys and gorges requires extra attention, so that no area remains invisible to radar. In the CV, China has chosen two locations for the deployment of EW assets, which are in close proximity to each other.

Primary early warning and target track generation for the Chinese surface to air missile (SAM) batteries in this sector is controlled by a network of two EW radar sites. These sites are situated at the entrance of the CV along the two shoulders of the valley barely 12 kilometres (km) apart.

The following images depict the location of EW sites in the CV.

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Fig 1: CV EW Site 1, 27° 50′ 05″ N 89° 08′ 10″ E

Located at a height of 4750 metres, this site (i.e Fig.1) is consistent with being an electronic countermeasures (ECM) and EW site combination. It can also be conjectured that the raised empty radar platform may deploy some mobile passive radar system in the near future.

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Fig 2.: CV EW Site 2, 27° 44′ 32″ N 89° 12′ 01″ E

The second site (i.e Fig 2) located at a height 5200 m was built in in 2013 and is newer than the other site. The second site has two large 50 m long antenna arrays which are looking directly at Kolkata.

Both sites contain similar sized EW radomes which could be assessed to contain a combination of low/medium altitude radar and high altitude radar. China has in its inventory UHF 2D/3D radars which could cover a range of anywhere between 750-800 km like the YLC-4 or the JYL-1. The passive radars could be the likes of YLC-20 passive direction-finding and locating radar which is often seen at such radar sites. Five radomes in these two sites would certainly cover all frequency bands and provide different levels of range coverage to develop a comprehensive picture of Indian airspace in the region for Chinese AD controllers.

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Fig 3: Chinese YLC-4 2D Long Range Surveillance Radar

EW Coverage
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India was not afraid to take over Doklam.
This is a defeat for China.
Every day the defeat gets worse.

What India did is simply amazing.
India took land that China claimed belongs to it
without firing a shot!

Soldiers can be brave only if they have a brave commander-in-chief. Indian soldiers have that in Modi who showed he got balls in 2002 when he directed the killing of Muslims in Gujarat when he was Chief Minister of that state.

So India surprise attacked China with a small scale action after China informed India of road construction plans, thanks to Chinese restraint it was bloodless. As the situation is an ongoing dispute it remains to be seen how long the Indian occupation will last.
 

Orthan

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Unbelievable that some people here still believe that china could make a military move against india. Understand one thing: this is no longer mao´s china. China has a LOT to risk and lose just to get a mountain road in the middle of nowhere built. Its painful rather than scary to read about the chinese media and government´s rhetoric. It increasingly seems that its purpose is only to scare india and posing strong to the average chinese but it seems that india wont budge. The coming party congress may also be a reason for the rhetoric coming out of china.


AFAIK no military movement towards the indian border has been confirmed outside china. Has anyone got more to it?
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Unbelievable that some people here still believe that china could make a military move against india. Understand one thing: this is no longer mao´s china. China has a LOT to risk and lose just to get a mountain road in the middle of nowhere built. Its painful rather than scary to read about the chinese media and government´s rhetoric. It increasingly seems that its purpose is only to scare india and posing strong to the average chinese but it seems that india wont budge. The coming party congress may also be a reason for the rhetoric coming out of china.


AFAIK no military movement towards the indian border has been confirmed outside china. Has anyone got more to it?

There is no military movement toward the border but plenty of heavy equipment, tank, IFV , HQ16 ,troop movement toward Tibet from all over China
I guess they are building up. It is inconceivable that China will not respond. It is not if but when

Due to tense border situation in Korea it will take precedence over Doklam. But they are preparing make no mistake about it
Why should they move to border because it is going to be the firing zone with MLRS, UAV, air force
It will not be the slugfest like in 62 . It is different Chinese army
 
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