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Stephen Roach is old China hand He know china economy inside out. Here is his prediction

A 'spectacular' trend is transforming the world's second largest economy: Stephen Roach says

Stephanie Landsman Tue, Jul 18 7:00 AM PDT
China's economy is a lot more resilient than the West thinks, according to one of Wall Street's most distinguished voices on the region.

Stephen Roach, who was chairman of Morgan Stanley Asia, believes the world's second largest economy is on the cusp of an even bigger growth spurt — thanks to new technological advances and a booming consumer.

"The wave of innovation in their private-based economy, anything from e-commerce to medical sciences, is really quite spectacular," Roach said Monday on CNBC's "
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During his 30-year tenure at the Morgan Stanley, Roach led a team of economists around the world. He continues to make several trips a year to China as a Yale University senior fellow.

"The Chinese economy seems to be making remarkable progress in transforming itself into more of a consumer-based model driven more by cashless e-commerce," Roach said. "Their e-commerce share of total consumption is more than double ours [U.S.], and that gap is rising."

The latest data show China's economy grew at a faster-than-expected 6.9 percent in the second quarter. The pace far exceeds where the United States is right now, with its economic growth rate at 1.42 percent.

"The Chinese have defied a lot of naysaying for close to 40 years, and I think that will continue to be the case," he said. "All the talk about a crash landing, a slowdown, a debt-induced Japanese-like end game, those fears are largely overblown."


But there appears to be at least one anomaly. The robust economic numbers haven't been reflected in the Shanghai composite index (Shanghai Stock Exchange: .SSEC), which is up just 2 percent this year. Despite the sluggishness, he still says he's "pretty optimistic" and acknowledges that the Chinese stock market isn't as far along as he had hoped.

"With the economy performing better than expected, the stock market should conform to that. But I've long learned that the connection between the Chinese economy and the stock market is a tenuous one at best," Roach said.

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this is interesting:
Mothers get more paid time off to encourage more births Published: 2017/7/19
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A total of 30 regions in China have extended paid maternity leave to up to one year, one of the supportive measures introduced after the country changed its family planning policy to allow all couples to have a second child in 2016.

Maternity leave in most provinces and municipalities has been extended to around 158 days, with the longest leave on offer being one year in Southwest China's Tibet Autonomous Region. New mothers in Northwest China's Gansu Province and Northeast China's Heilongjiang Province are entitled to 180 days paid time off work, while in Shanghai, Tianjin and East China's Zhejiang and Jiangsu provinces leave has been increased to 128 days, according to The Beijing News.

The extensions were made based on the amended Law on Population and Family Planning which was approved in 2016. All women who give birth are guaranteed up to three months of additional maternity leave in addition to the 98 days originally mandated, and their spouses can enjoy paid paternity leave of 15 days, according to the revised law.

Experts believe that the popular extensions should also create leeway for both female employees and their companies as longer leave may adversely affect women's career development and increase the financial burden on enterprises.

Equal paid leave

The Tibet Health and Family Planning Commission published a notice on the two-child policy on July 5, which said that women with a Tibet household registration, or hukou, who work for organizations, enterprises and public institutions are entitled to have one year of paid maternity leave with each child to which they give birth. Their spouses can enjoy 30 days of paternity leave, according to the website of the commission.

Family planning policies are more relaxed in Tibet as they mostly apply to ethnic Han. Ethnic Tibetans are not restricted by the policies.

Tibet has a population of 3 million, according to a 2010 census, with at least 90 percent of residents being ethnic Tibetans, while the number of ethnic Hans is 245,000, accounting for eight percent, the Xinhua News Agency reported.

Guan Xinping, an expert on social policy at Nankai University in Tianjin, told the Global Times that maternity leave is particularly long in Tibet partially due to the region's harsh climate and natural conditions.

The extensions to maternity leave are likely to be welcomed by a majority of netizens, as a survey conducted by China Youth Daily in 2016 showed that 89 percent of the 2,966 respondents wanted an extension to maternity leave, and 40 percent of them hoped it would be extended to six months.

"To be more precise, the additional maternity leave is for infant care, as women's health is usually restored after the 98 mandated days," Guan said.

As mother and father should take on the both responsibility for taking care of infants, women and their partners should be entitled to the same amount of leave, according to Guan.

Many netizens echoed Guan calling for an increase of the paternity leave which in most places is about 15 to 30 days.

Helping or harming

Chinese couples give birth to their first children at an average age of 25 to 27 and they tend to wait a few years until giving birth to their second child which may cause health risks to both newborn and the mother, said Yuan Xin, a demographer from Tianjin-based Nankai University, the People's Daily reported.

Yuan said that extending maternity leave is beneficial to the health of mothers and newborns.

However, Liang Zhongtang, a research fellow at the Shanghai Academy of Social Sciences, argued that the leave extension may actually harm women's interests.

"Enterprises may prefer to hire men or women who already have children to reduce their payroll, and women may find hard to get promoted if they take months of paid leave," Liang told the Global Times.

The Chinese media has reported on cases of women who were dismissed or demoted after taking maternity leave.

To relieve the burden on companies, Guan suggested that the authorities allow companies to offer partially paid maternity leave and encourage women to freely adjust the length of their leave.

Meanwhile, experts said that the extension, a supportive measure for the revised family planning policy, has a limited role in encouraging couples to have a second child.

"It's not like you don't need to take care of your babies after the six months or one year of maternity leave, and regulators should first abolish the 'social maintenance fees,' the system used to fine people for violating the family planning policy, in order to encourage more births," Liang said.
 
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    "Someone who plays video games for ten hours a day, for example, would be considered an idle person, and someone who frequently buys diapers would be considered as probably a parent, who on balance is more likely to have a sense of responsibility," said Li Yingyun, the technology director of Alibaba's Sesame's credit program in an interview with Caixin, a Chinese magazine.

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some time ago
Oct 25, 2016
we had this discussion involving:


is there any news related to
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you might want to tell me about?

I'm asking because now, while waiting in a mall, I had enough time to read this Russian point of view
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which I did, and it sounds ... Orwellian, for example
  • quotes what I then located in English:
    "Someone who plays video games for ten hours a day, for example, would be considered an idle person, and someone who frequently buys diapers would be considered as probably a parent, who on balance is more likely to have a sense of responsibility," said Li Yingyun, the technology director of Alibaba's Sesame's credit program in an interview with Caixin, a Chinese magazine.

    Read more:
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  • and quotes this:
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    as saying some rating system for Party members has been already established, which reportedly is named Smart Red Cloud
    智慧红云
please note I have no way to verify, that's why I'm asking

EDIT I hope you know I follow this just to entertain myself, is all; no problem if you ignored

I'm not aware of any new developments. And I'm not sure why you think I'd be interested in telling you?

The only reason I wrote about it before was because it was specifically brought up in the thread, I hope you know I'm not going to specifically follow up on this and tell you just because it's something you're interested in.
 

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this is interesting:
Mothers get more paid time off to encourage more births Published: 2017/7/19
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Excellent policy, more Han birth in Tibet and Gansu to balance out the increase in minority population and and Heilongjiang to increase population for future far east expansion. But why no Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia though????
 
I'm not aware of any new developments. And I'm not sure why you think I'd be interested in telling you?

The only reason I wrote about it before was because it was specifically brought up in the thread, I hope you know I'm not going to specifically follow up on this and tell you just because it's something you're interested in.
thank you, I'm intrigued now by that "1984"
 

sanblvd

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They are finding out the hard way that high tech manufacturing cannot happen all alone by itself, it needs to be where the supply chain and supply parts are.

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Pretty much exactly what happened when Motorola tried to make a smart phone here in US.
 

taxiya

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Excellent policy, more Han birth in Tibet and Gansu to balance out the increase in minority population and and Heilongjiang to increase population for future far east expansion. But why no Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia though????
I think you miss-understood the article. The article mentioned many provinces including Tibet and Gansu together with Shanghai and Jiangsu, skipped many other provinces including Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia, but also Beijing and others. The inclusion and exclusion in the article did not mean anything special regarding regions, nor ethnics, just examples.

So I am sure Xinjiang and Inner Mongolia are covered in the change, just not taken in the article.

I think the important and one of my concern is that, population and family planning policy should not have ethnics or religion background involved (remove any ethnical favoritism). To that purpose, the lifting of one-child policy (mostly only on Han) is a good beginning.
 
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