Chinese Economics Thread

What Solarz meant is that Google, Yahoo, and many other private internet companies had already collected data from US citizens and either sale it or share it with the government. No big difference.
thanks but one thing is eavesdropping, another is like grading people (what's described in
A target for hackers
part of https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-economics-thread.t3715/page-625#post-421214
but as I said, I'm just trying to find out if this is China's plan)
 
What Solarz meant is that Google, Yahoo, and many other private internet companies had already collected data from US citizens and either sale it or share it with the government. No big difference.

thanks but one thing is eavesdropping, another is like grading people (what's described in
A target for hackers
part of https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/chinese-economics-thread.t3715/page-625#post-421214
but as I said, I'm just trying to find out if this is China's plan)

China's plan is as intentionally "benign" as other big data profiling schemes. It's an equally unsafe bet that the NSA, or other government agencies or private corporations with the capabilities, is only eavesdropping or only profiling people for "benign" purposes. I for one definitely don't consider it "benign" to be profiled for targeted marketing which is a way of pigeon holing me and depriving me of variety and serendipity.
 

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I noticed in a major server here (
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) and it's scary, so you may tell me if it's hyped or something:
China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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This piece of "news" came out last year... at about the same time actually.

And yes, it's been entirely hyped and taken out of context by WaPost -- not a big surprise, considering the original "news" came from Rick Falkvinge on the PIA blog and he was talking out of his backside as well.


There were a few comments on reddit last year that did a good job of saying what it was actually about, here's a good one:
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The problem with that article is that it actually makes up and extrapolates so much BS that it's impossible to refute all of it.

I wrote a letter to a media entity that talked about it, last year, where I described all of the failings of the story's logic and provided a whole heap of less sensationalized and more accurate sources actually explaining what the social credit system is meant to achieve... and I'll post an abrigdged version below, which even though it was written a year ago, is still very much relevant for what you posted:
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But if you can't be bothered reading it, Jura, in this case you should just take my word that it is Washington Post either deliberately BSing or unknowingly being hooked onto a story that doesn't exist.

The most silly thing to me, is that the government has a whole multitude of other ways to monitor and control criticism and dissenting political movements, instead of putting in some a convoluted social credit system.
The only reason this social credit system is needed is because the vast majority of Chinese people do not have a credit score like that to begin with.

Yet somehow, western media have taken one ambiguity in this entire plan and interpreted it to this hyperbolic dystopian nightmare of theirs, without even considering what the limits of this system is actually meant to be, and not asking whether China may have any legitimate reason for a social credit system to begin with. But then again, this seems to be the modus operandi of many media outlets these days.
 
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