China's strategy in Korean peninsula

manqiangrexue

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I don't really believe that China is worried of THAAD .. it's just a game ... I am sure China have full capability to deal with it .. protest is free anyway ;) .. and also give a strong reason for China to do something bigger (which I don't know what) .... we will find out soon
Well, it's about maritime spying that pisses China off. It's not about the missile launchers; it's about the radars. Come war, THAAD is no big deal but in peacetime, it's just a big annoying radar looking into apart of your house and you can't strike it out.
 
now I read
S. Korea forms task force on THAAD after president's order of green audit
Xinhua| 2017-06-09 17:35:14
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South Korea has formed an inter-ministry task force on the deployment of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) after President Moon Jae-in ordered a green audit of the THAAD site.

Defense Ministry spokesman Moon Sang-kyun told a regular press briefing Friday that the Office for Government Policy Coordination formed a task force on the THAAD matter.

During the task force meeting, discussions and reviews will be conducted on the appropriate environment impact assessment, the spokesman said.

The first task force meeting was held Thursday, with vice ministers of defense, foreign affairs and environment in attendance.

Earlier this week, Moon ordered a large-scale assessment of the THAAD's environment impact on the THAAD site, a golf course at Soseong-ri village in Seongju county, North Gyeongsang province.

According to the preliminary investigation result by the presidential Blue House, the defense ministry intentionally sought to avoid the large-scale green audit in a bid to speed up the THAAD installation.

Among the total land of the golf course reaching about 700,000 square meters, less than 328,779 square meters of land was provided to the U.S. Forces Korea (USFK) in the first stage for the THAAD deployment.

By local law, the land provision of less than 330,000 square meters requires a small-scale green audit. The rest of the golf course was scheduled to be offered to the USFK after completing the environmental evaluation.

Meanwhile, the additional transportation of the U.S. missile shield was not reported to President Moon, according to the Blue House. Moon ordered a probe into the reporting omission.

About two weeks before the presidential by-election on May 10, two THAAD mobile launchers, radar and other equipment were transported in the middle of night to the golf course.

Four more launchers were delivered to an unidentified U.S. military base in South Korea, but it was not reported to Moon. The Blue House said it was an intentional omission of reporting to the new president.

A senior presidential official, who declined to be identified, told reporters earlier this week that the deployment of the U.S. missile defense system was not urgent enough to omit the full assessment of environmental impact.

The official said that though the already deployed THAAD elements would remain in the golf course, four THAAD launchers would be not transported to the golf course before the completion of green audit.

His comments indicated the de-facto suspension of the THAAD deployment, but residents living near the site and peace activists held a press conference to urge the government to completely retreat the U.S. weapon.

Chung Eui-yong, top national security advisor to President Moon, told reporters in Moon's office earlier in the day that the green audit should be transparently conducted in rational and legal ways.

The chief of the National Security Office of the Blue House said that the country would go through domestically necessary procedures for the THAAD deployment while making clear the procedural transparency and legitimacy.
 

Orthan

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Acording to a WSJ article, the US government is urging the chinese government to impose sanctions on nearly 10 chinese companies and individuals that trade with NK, and that if china doesnt do that by the end of the summer, the US will.

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What do you think of it? do you think that china will comply? remember that cooperation in the denuclearization of NK was one of the reasons for trump to give a pass regarding the issue of trade with china. If china starts to give signals that afterall it wont cooperate, that could make trump to change its mind.
 

manqiangrexue

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Acording to a WSJ article, the US government is urging the chinese government to impose sanctions on nearly 10 chinese companies and individuals that trade with NK, and that if china doesnt do that by the end of the summer, the US will.

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What do you think of it? do you think that china will comply? remember that cooperation in the denuclearization of NK was one of the reasons for trump to give a pass regarding the issue of trade with china. If china starts to give signals that afterall it wont cooperate, that could make trump to change its mind.
LOL Trump is easily manipulated by China; outclassed on level of thinking. (I wouldn't even be shocked if Xi could talk to Trump and convince him that these 10 companies don't need to be sanctioned LOL) Who are these entities that the US wants China to sanction? Are they contributing to Chinese interests? Are they neutral? China doesn't need to sanction its own companies to get them to act in a way that it wants; it just needs to sit them down for a talk. Sanctions are for governments that can't control their companies. If what they do is in the interests of China, then obviously, China will not harm its own interests to appease the US. Sanctions are meant to impose economic strain; China could easily "sanction" them, then open a backdoor account for them if it really wanted to look like it's playing nice. But I'd say China likely won't do anything and let the US impose whatever "unilateral sanctions" on them that it saw fit. The threat is limited to that and that only; that the US will sanction these 10 companies, not start a trade war with China.
 
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taxiya

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Acording to a WSJ article, the US government is urging the chinese government to impose sanctions on nearly 10 chinese companies and individuals that trade with NK, and that if china doesnt do that by the end of the summer, the US will.

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What do you think of it? do you think that china will comply? remember that cooperation in the denuclearization of NK was one of the reasons for trump to give a pass regarding the issue of trade with china. If china starts to give signals that afterall it wont cooperate, that could make trump to change its mind.

Can't say comply or not comply in a black and white manner. But in principle, China will not comply the US demand.

  1. US does not have legal jurisdiction over Chinese companies, Chinese individuals or the state. That is the principle.
  2. China has not imposed sanctions on any US companies or US state for violating Chinese sovereignty (selling weapons to a renegade province), nor has China imposed sanctions on any ... for harboring (Uyghur) terrorists against China.
If WSJ and the sorts tell the truth about Trump, I would tell them "take a hike", or "want to make a deal? pay the debt of the past decades first, and pull out from Korean peninsular then we can talk".

As of giving a pass, China has been named "currency manipulator" in the past by Clinton, remember? Can it be worse if Trump do it again? Nothing new really.
 

manqiangrexue

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Can't say comply or not comply in a black and white manner. But in principle, China will not comply the US demand.

  1. US does not have legal jurisdiction over Chinese companies, Chinese individuals or the state. That is the principle.
  2. China has not imposed sanctions on any US companies or US state for violating Chinese sovereignty (selling weapons to a renegade province), nor has China imposed sanctions on any ... for harboring (Uyghur) terrorists against China.
If WSJ and the sorts tell the truth about Trump, I would tell them "take a hike", or "want to make a deal? pay the debt of the past decades first, and pull out from Korean peninsular then we can talk".

As of giving a pass, China has been named "currency manipulator" in the past by Clinton, remember? Can it be worse if Trump do it again? Nothing new really.
Come now Taxiya! Having Trump as president is not the right time for this attitude! With Trump as president, it's a golden opportunity to get slick, exploit, manipulate, bring out the Machiavellian in the CCP! How often does the US (or any major country) get a president as incompetent and stupid as Trump? And you want to use this time to just lock horns with him in a test of raw strength??? (Nobody guarantees this opportunity lasts 4 years; there's no telling when all the shit will come out of his closet and he'll end up impeached!) If you go bull-horn to bull-horn with Trump, you're wasting your opportunity and that just drops you down to his level! Be the matador!

If someone like Hillary were in charge, then a hard line go-pound-sand stance could be more appropriate.
 
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taxiya

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Come now Taxiya! Having Trump as president is not the right time for this attitude! With Trump as president, it's a golden opportunity to get slick, exploit, manipulate, bring out the Machiavellian in the CCP! How often does the US (or any major country) get a president as incompetent and stupid as Trump? And you want to use this time to just lock horns with him in a test of raw strength??? If you go bull-horn to bull-horn with Trump, you're wasting your opportunity and that just drops you down to his level! Be the matador!

If someone like Hillary were in charge, then a hard line go-pound-sand stance could be more appropriate.
Hehe, I know Trump is a tough talking person than Bill Clinton, but I also know that Bill Clinton was sitting on a much stronger power base than Trump. In the end, it is the power base behind them dictate the out-come, not their words (tough or soft), that is the base of my calculation and suggested acts.

I do however "appreciate" a Trump presidency than a Hillary presidency, but I will only give lip service for that "appreciation", that is to speak softly but do hardly. I will let him to claim his win without (my giving) substance.
 
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I noticed the point of view of
General Joseph F. Dunford, Jr.
Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff
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BD:
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Why do you
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to impose potentially crippling sanctions on North Korea this time, when it has resisted doing so in the past?

Dunford: One reason is that [Secretary of State Rex] Tillerson has gone out of his way to make clear that the United States is not seeking regime change in North Korea, we simply want a denuclearized Korean Peninsula. That’s a goal that China shares. I also think North Korea’s provocative behavior has caught China’s attention, and is perceived as insulting to Beijing. So as evidenced by the two U.N. Resolutions this year condemning North Korea’s programs, I think China and the rest of the international community are approaching the North Korean threat much differently than in the past.”
 
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