China's strategy in Korean peninsula

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
ok ok guys calm down let go back to the topic
Wise word from Atlantic .Korea is not Syria all these talk of preemptive strike is frightening. It is like opening Pandora box You don't know what come next
America Can’t Do Much About North Korea
But whatever it can do, it will need China.
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North Korean special forces soldiers march and shout slogans during a military parade marking the 105th birth anniversary of country's founding father, Kim Il Sung in Pyongyang, North Korea, on April 15, 2017.Damir Sagolj / Reuters
When asked by the Financial Times on April 2 about working with China to reduce the nuclear threat from North Korea, President Donald Trump
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: “Well, if China is not going to solve North Korea, we will. That is all I am telling you.” Quite how this would be done, the president declined to divulge.

In the weeks that followed, the hostile standoff in Northeast Asia heated up. As a U.S. Navy aircraft carrier sped towards the Korean peninsula, the North Korean dictator Kim Jong Un celebrated the “Day of the Sun” (the day before Easter Sunday) by standing on a platform for hours reviewing a parade of long-range missiles, scuds, and other hardware. The launch of a ballistic missile on that same morning, however, ended in failure, as the weapon blew up as soon as it took off.

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The world is slowly adjusting to Trump's bluster. Often, he appears not to know what he is talking about. It may well be that a word in his ear from a U.S. admiral, or Chinese President Xi Jinping, or his son-in-law Jared Kushner, the real-estate heir put in charge of world affairs, could soften his bellicose tone. But words or tweets, however hasty or ill-conceived, coming from the White House, do matter. The last thing needed in the fraught situation in Northeast Asia, where military action could spiral into catastrophe, is more macho posturing. (Enough such bluster is already blowing in from Pyongyang: In a recent set of photographs, Kim Jong Un, dressed to resemble his grandfather Kim Il Sung, stands in front of nuclear warheads and threatens to unleash “pre-emptive nuclear strikes” against Japan or even the United States.)

America doesn’t know exactly what North Korea's nuclear capability is, but it is likely sufficient to kill millions of South Koreans or Japanese. That North Korea would be smashed in retaliation is no consolation. The fact is that there is nothing much America can do about Kim’s attempts to develop nuclear-tipped missiles, especially without China’s support. Even Trump, his brilliance notwithstanding, must realize that some problems just cannot be “solved.”

The litany of futile diplomatic overtures to curb North Korea’s nuclear ambitions reads like a history of failure. In 1994, President Bill Clinton promised aid to North Korea in exchange for a promise to freeze its nuclear program. In 2002, it became clear that the North Koreans had reneged on the deal. The thing is that Kim will not give up his nuclear arsenal, for it is all he has got. Without the bomb, North Korea would be no more than a small, impoverished dictatorship. With nuclear missiles, it can behave as a major power, or more importantly, hold other major powers at bay.

Clinton also once considered bombing North Korean nuclear installations, but, in the end, considered the risk too high. It would be even higher now. Not only are such installations now more dispersed throughout the country, making a clean hit very difficult, but the “collateral damage” inflicted by a cornered Northern regime would be horrendous: Seoul is a mere 35 miles from the North Korean border.

Empty threats from Washington are not just ineffectual; they play into the Korean dictator’s hands. Whether most North Koreans really worship the Kim dynasty as much as they seem to is hard to know, since most of “these gestures of idolatry” are coerced. But Korean nationalism can be very easily stirred up. One thing that holds North Koreans together is the fear, constantly stoked by the regime, of a wicked foreign attack.

China is the only power with any influence in North Korea, but the last thing Beijing wants is for its communist neighbor to collapse. The Kim regime may be annoying, but a united Korea filled with U.S. military bases would be worse, not to mention the potential refugee crisis on China’s borders.
 

Broccoli

Senior Member
US won't allow North Korea to get missile what reach United States and possibly carry chemical/nuclear warheads and in future thermonuclear warheads. Eventually China is forced to choose between US and North Korea.

It's also possible that if US doesn't do anything then China has to deal with hostile nuclear weapon state next to it. If NoKo launches 1mt warhead at Beijing in 2030 then who is to blame?
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
US won't allow North Korea to get missile what reach United States and possibly carry chemical/nuclear warheads and in future thermonuclear warheads. Eventually China is forced to choose between US and North Korea.

It's also possible that if US doesn't do anything then China has to deal with hostile nuclear weapon state next to it. If NoKo launches 1mt warhead at Beijing in 2030 then who is to blame?

China is not going to do the dirty work of some body else. Stop all those provocative exercise . US need to talk to Noko and open communication. Noko is not going to disarm themselves while the other side is saber ratlling.

Noko would be foolish to launch nuclear weapon into China because that mean the end of the regime and they are not crazy
 

solarz

Brigadier
US won't allow North Korea to get missile what reach United States and possibly carry chemical/nuclear warheads and in future thermonuclear warheads. Eventually China is forced to choose between US and North Korea.

LOL, just like Russia has to choose between US and Syria?

Hmmm... choose between a vital ally, or a country that tries to regime-change you every few weeks.

Tough choice!
 

solarz

Brigadier
It's also possible that if US doesn't do anything then China has to deal with hostile nuclear weapon state next to it. If NoKo launches 1mt warhead at Beijing in 2030 then who is to blame?

Do you understand how MAD works? At any moment, any nuclear power can cause millions of deaths to anyone else. The point of MAD is that retaliation would be equally devastating.

I remember the same kind of hyperbole when India and Pakistan joined the nuclear club.
 

taxiya

Brigadier
Registered Member
US won't allow North Korea to get missile what reach United States and possibly carry chemical/nuclear warheads and in future thermonuclear warheads. Eventually China is forced to choose between US and North Korea.

It's also possible that if US doesn't do anything then China has to deal with hostile nuclear weapon state next to it. If NoKo launches 1mt warhead at Beijing in 2030 then who is to blame?

It seems that this view is prevalent among many political active westerners. But all of you seem to forget the 3rd choice of China, "to be with herself".

You reminded me of one young Danish Ph.D majoring in international relationship whom I came across during a discussion regarding Crimea crisis last year. He stated that "China must be on the western side, otherwise will be regarded as supporting Russian annexation of Crimea, and consequence will be 1, 2, 3 etc.". After failing to convince him that China can and will choose to be natural, I finally told him that "don't force China to take a side, you may get the opposite of what you want".

The bottom line is, "If China can live with the reality of being targeted by US, Soviet, Indian nukes, it won't be any different if there is another nuclear country on the planet. But US boots on the bank of Yalu river is a huge difference". You can see clearly what is the choice that China must choose when she has to.
 

delft

Brigadier
There is an obvious way for US to prevent North Korea acquiring ICBMs. That is by allowing the reunification of North and South.
South Korea has been a satellite of US even since they installed Syngman Rhee who had lived in California since 1928 as dictator. They provided him with an army officered by Koreans who had served in the Japanese army in Manchuria. My first introduction to these matters, when I took the trouble to look into it a quarter of a century ago, was the Encyclopedia Britanica article about Syngman Rhee. EB's editorial offices are in Chicago.:)
After Syngman Rhee was murdered in 1960 there followed a series of military dictators - who all had served in the Japanese army - until the late '80's. Until ten or fifteen years ago the US president was Commander in Chief of the South Korean army and he is to resume that position in case of war.
A reunited Korea can resume the position it had in previous centuries as middle brother between big brother China and little brother Japan. It will easily grow to a significant economic powerhouse with a modern transport system and excellent connections with China. With the US out of the way Korea will have as little need for nuclear weapons as Germany.
Reunification will be a complex process and might take several years but building railway lines and roads need not wait until all has been decided and will contribute to rebuilding the economy of the North and probably also the South from early in the process.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Without US SK will go nuclear in no time. The same with Japan.

And the fallout blows right back at them. I betcha you're gonna cry foul when China makes more nukes in response.

You obviously don't know yourself because having nukes makes countries act more independent meaning the US will have placate Japan and South Korea in all their needs if you want them to do what you want. And if you don't, they'll start feeling dissed and they'll point those nukes at the US. No more expecting them to be obedient followers that just obey orders. Meaning the US doesn't want them to have nukes.
 
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