China's strategy in Korean peninsula

lucretius

Junior Member
Registered Member
Now, I agree that influence is preferred over control, which is why I believe that if war erupts over the peninsula, China should remove the NK leadership and its military, station troops in NK, but hand administrative control over the SK. Leave the mess to the South Koreans to handle, shirk the responsibility and build influence via assistance in rebuild instead.

This is China's and everyone's best option
 

Blackstone

Brigadier
What was my ad hominim attack?

Is the following statement of yours civilized?

That report does not give you the God-given right to say NK hates China as much as or more than Japan
1) See your post #175
2) My uncivil comments mirrored yours; I merely gave back what was rendered
3) That's your opinion, and we can agree to disagree. You'll note I have no problem with Solarz's arguments in post 184, because he disagreed on the subject and not the person
 

solarz

Brigadier
North Korea does not want to be China's puppet state, which is why they're not satisfied with China's offer of protection and is instead insisting on developing nukes themselves. Once they obtain nukes and the ability to deliver them, they'll chart a more independent course, and all other actors in the region will adjust their stance toward NK accordingly.

As such, NK developing nukes is not a welcoming development from China's perspective, and in fact should be stopped at great cost if necessary.

Now, I agree that influence is preferred over control, which is why I believe that if war erupts over the peninsula, China should remove the NK leadership and its military, station troops in NK, but hand administrative control over the SK. Leave the mess to the South Koreans to handle, shirk the responsibility and build influence via assistance in rebuild instead.

Again, I have to question this assumption that a "more indepedent" NK is not in China's interests.

First, NK is quite independent when it comes to both domestic and foreign policy. They do rely on China for a lot of trade, but they are quiety conducting their own market reforms.

Second, the opposite of independence is dependence. Dependence implies responsibility, and since we agree that China doesn't want responsibility for NK, why would China be opposed to NK independence?

Finally, China deals with a lot of independent nations, and can find common ground with many of them. Why should NK be different? I've always liked Jefferson's approach to foreign policy: commerce with all nations, alliances with none. I would in fact venture to say that the source of China's NK headaches is because the latter is dependent on it economically. If NK was able to achieve economic independence, it would become a much more reliable partner to China.
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Sure. Here is a bloomberg article from today about china´s economy.

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A wsj article today too:

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I seen this prediction and sourgrape for the last 3 decades nothing come even close. Instead Chinese economy grow and grow. They have at least another decade to grow at moderate 6%.Remarkable considering the size of economy.

China urbanization rate is only 50% compare to 90% in developed economy. In the next decade hundreds million of surplus labor need to be resettled in 2nd and 3rd tier cities. Those folks need housing,transportation, appliances, car, etc. That should provide momentum to the economy
 
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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Put all your money on that! You'll be rich! You'll billionare after that!

And don't forget my tiny share of 1M$ for this good advice!

Million of overseas Chinese put their money where their mouth is since 1960's
Singapore is the single biggest investor in China thru their GLIC company like Temasek holding follow by Hongkong and Taiwan
All the OC Tycoon like Lee Ka Shing, Robert Kuok, Charoen Pokhpand, James Ryadi,Lucio Tan has large holding in China.

Year after year China is the biggest destination of FDI. Heck you idol Japan is one of the largest investor in China follow by Korea
 
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PiSigma

"the engineer"
I seen this prediction and sourgrape for the last 3 decades nothing come even close. Instead Chinese economy grow and grow. They have at least another decade to grow at moderate 6%.Remarkable considering the size of economy.

China urbanization rate is only 50% compare to 90% in developed economy. In the next decade hundreds million of surplus labor need to be resettled in 2nd and 3rd tier cities. Those folks need housing,transportation, appliances, car, etc. That should provide momentum to the economy

I don't think China will be able to get to 90% urban, but 80-85% urban in the future is most likely. If you think how long it took to get to 50%, around 30 years, from the mid 80s rate of 15% urban. It would take another 20-30 years to get to 80% urban. That means just from this migration alone, keep GDP growth at a similar level (in absolute terms, not %) is possible for 20-30 years. Of course, as a percent, it will become smaller and smaller. Assuming in 30 years, the total GDP is 4x larger (that is only averaging 5% growth a yr for 30 yrs), it would still be pretty reasonable.
 

broadsword

Brigadier
1) See your post #175

My commment in post#175 was
Try to understand. If you don't, let me know and I will walk you through.
Because you could not understand, so I offered to go through with you the points.

Compare it with your post#181 that was truly ad hominem:
Try to make sense, and if you don't know how, go back to school and learn.


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2) My uncivil comments mirrored yours; I merely gave back what was rendered
It did not mirror mine, sorry. You gave far more than me.


3) That's your opinion, and we can agree to disagree. You'll note I have no problem with Solarz's arguments in post 184, because he disagreed on the subject and not the person
Your agreement with Solar's post has no bearing us. I disagreed with you statements. Can you show me where I attacked you personally?
 
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