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[balasore]

Where did you get all this BS. FYI China has no problem exporting HQ 9 It entered the Turkish competition for missile defence and won It was the only system that has 100% hit rate beating patriot and S300. It was drop due to western NATO opposition and the Chinese reluctance to give up the source code

SU 35 was imported due to delay in the production of J11D. I don't know if India can manage Super Sukhoi when they have trouble even maintaining SU30MKI imported 15 years ago,with operation rate of less then 60% and 5 or 7 known accident sofar.

Kolkatta class was launched 10 years ago and sofar they manage to commission only 2 meantime China has commission close to 12 Now can you tell me which country is more efficient?.
Type 52D has 68 HQ9 with AESA radar so it is not behind Kolkatta class. Kolkatta is built with more than 50% imported component

if it has no problems - how is it that there has been no exports? countries like iran wouldnt be buying s300s if their inferior chinese versions were better than them. thats common sense. and there would be no s400s going china's way if china attempts to sell cloned s300s. why dont you wait for the day that happens - then we'll talk.
Su-35 is being imported because of 2 things - radar and engine. china has trouble producing even a decent PESA radar. forget AESA. same for engines. else they would be exporting the hell out of both. and the companies producing them would be advertising them for sale. why else are they not doing that? production delays happen in India. since when does china have production delays? and what urgent need all of a sudden that a simple 24 has to be imported so urgently?
3 kolkatas have been commissioned if i am not mistaken, not 2. and like i said, comparing apples to oranges when comparing AESA equipped DDG to Phased arrayed DDG - a generation behind. show me one Chinese navy statement that claims their DDGs have AESA? internet fanboy claims dont count. as for numbers - countries produce platforms based on threat perceptions - china has to produce DDGs keeping US Jap in mind. India doesnt. so why should India produce that many DDGs?

 

[balasore]

I think he meant to be sarcastic and to imply that the PLAN hides all its accidents so they look accident-free on the surface.

The fact is the PLAN releases their accidents just as any other navy in the world. As you mentioned, we just heard about the J-15 accident not too long ago. And several J-10 accidents including the one with the female pilot. If I remember correctly, the CV-16 had some kind of accident during one of its initial sea trials. We all hear about them. No one is trying to hide anything.

no, not like any other navy in the world. these days when hiding info is a lot harder, it is forced to release info - at least the ones that will come out anyway.

 

[jobjed]

has there ever been a single official statement made by the WS-10 manufacturer stating the engine is in production?

?????????????

Are you literally looking at the ~200 J-11B/J-15A/J-16s and not seeing the WS-10 engine petals?

exactly. thats why no flanker copy will ever be allowed to be exported to anyone. because russia wont allow it. neither will the HQ-9 be ever allowed to be exported to anyone.

Turkmenistan already equips the HQ-9. Here it is on parade.

HQ-9 also won Turkey's LRSAM competition, beating out the Patriot, Aster, and S-300. Alas, Turks being Turks; deal got cancelled and nobody won the competition.

and thats why unauthorised copying of entire platforms, creating birth to a poor man's version of the original, without mastering the critical technologies, ultimately ends up creating no capability enhancements. which leads china to a situation now where it has to import su-35s with PESA MMRs

This is a satirical level of delusion. I don't even know where to start. It's like trying to teach a kindergarten child how to do Laplace transforms.

while India will go on converting the sukhois to Super Sukhoi standard complete with AESAs.

Are you going to have any Su-30 airframes left to convert? You seem to be going through them rather fast. Perhaps you meant converting them from aircraft to craters?

and the navy will continue to be a generation behind India's AESA equipped kolkata classes.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

if it has no problems - how is it that there has been no exports? countries like iran wouldnt be buying s300s if their inferior chinese versions were better than them. thats common sense. and there would be no s400s going china's way if china attempts to sell cloned s300s. why dont you wait for the day that happens - then we'll talk.
Su-35 is being imported because of 2 things - radar and engine. china has trouble producing even a decent PESA radar. forget AESA. same for engines. else they would be exporting the hell out of both. and the companies producing them would be advertising them for sale. why else are they not doing that? production delays happen in India. since when does china have production delays? and what urgent need all of a sudden that a simple 24 has to be imported so urgently?
3 kolkatas have been commissioned if i am not mistaken, not 2. and like i said, comparing apples to oranges when comparing AESA equipped DDG to Phased arrayed DDG - a generation behind. show me one Chinese navy statement that claims their DDGs have AESA? internet fanboy claims dont count. as for numbers - countries produce platforms based on threat perceptions - china has to produce DDGs keeping US Jap in mind. India doesnt. so why should India produce that many DDGs?

Turkmenistan bought FD2000 export version of HQ 9 Now I don't see Russia complaint even though Turkmenistan is former member of Soviet Union
Turkmenistan bought the Chinese FD-2000 air defense system?
During an military exercise in Turkmenistan on Mar. 26, the export variant of the Chinese HQ-9 air defense system – FD-2000 – made its first appearance in the country.

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[vincent]

Don't feed the troll. Ignore is the best weapon

 

[balasore]

Turkmenistan bought FD2000 export version of HQ 9 Now I don't see Russia complaint even though Turkmenistan is former member of Soviet Union
Turkmenistan bought the Chinese FD-2000 air defense system?
During an military exercise in Turkmenistan on Mar. 26, the export variant of the Chinese HQ-9 air defense system – FD-2000 – made its first appearance in the country.

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where's the official news release by the manufacturing company declaring to the world that they made their first export? like i said - speculation and guesswork does not count. do you really think russia is the type that complains? it turns the screw.

 

[balasore]

?????????????

Are you literally looking at the ~200 J-11B/J-15A/J-16s and not seeing the WS-10 engine petals?



Turkmenistan already equips the HQ-9. Here it is on parade.

HQ-9 also won Turkey's LRSAM competition, beating out the Patriot, Aster, and S-300. Alas, Turks being Turks; deal got cancelled and nobody won the competition.

This is a satirical level of delusion. I don't even know where to start. It's like trying to teach a kindergarten child how to do Laplace transforms.



Are you going to have any Su-30 airframes left to convert? You seem to be going through them rather fast. Perhaps you meant converting them from aircraft to craters?

fine - educate me. you can understand living in the normal world why i am doubting these claims when none of you can show me official statements by these companes declaring their commercial sales, either to their government or any foreign country. maybe thats how it works in china - but in the outside world one needs evidence. put those meme creating skills to better use and find material that confirms your claims. until then - i'm sure you'll understand my doubts.

 

[Equation]

has India ever engaged in the practice of producing unauthorised versions of aircraft?

Has India ever engaged in producing a 5th Generation fighter or ANY fighter using home made engines, avionics, electronics, radar, software, etc. all on their own? NO? I thought so.

 

[Equation]

HQ-9 also won Turkey's LRSAM competition, beating out the Patriot, Aster, and S-300. Alas, Turks being Turks; deal got cancelled and nobody won the competition.

You mean Turkey lost because they have to cancel it because the US, European, and Russian were crying about it.

 

[KIENCHIN]

link to what? a report allowed to be published in uncensored china? first point me to the direction to that alternate universe.

Well I will point you first to the forum rules before posting.