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They did!! ;)
IT's made by Sig in New hampshire. ...
LOL I thank you for info as soon after I had seen this I went to bed and for a few minutes I was remembering the short trip to New Hampshire, heck fifteen and something years ago, Franconia Notch, Mt. Washington area (and I fell asleep) ... they're located elsewhere, of course, I now checked:
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Unlike civilian usage, the army also looks at ease of field stripping and maintenance. This pistol is much easier to strip and put back together than say the 1911. Also for some unexplained reason they are going for quantity over stopping power. Could also be standardization with NATO armies.
DefenseNews ranting about The Army Handgun: A New Poster Child for Acquisition Malpractice?
A handgun is not an aircraft carrier.

I respect the intricacy and complexity of the features in a military pistol. And I have no position on the one from Sig Sauer that was chosen or how it stacks up against other contenders. But the Army’s search for a new service pistol officially began in 2011 — long before that if you include the years when concerns with the existing M9 Beretta first emerged. More than a decade by Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John McCain's own estimates.

The system is broken.

Consider what went down in the handgun buy: There were a couple years of information-gathering industry days. There was a draft solicitation that noted an expected date for a final bid request, but that got pushed back and yet another industry day was scheduled. And there was Beretta, the incumbent, which pushed back on the planned replacement, then formally proposed altering the existing contract, so it could provide a different model that would address the concerns for less money. That, of course, was something government had to consider. More time.

So, what the market got in return for supposed due diligence was delays, often with an explanation that read something like this: “to allow for improvements to the RFP as a result of feedback received from Industry.”

And Army soldiers continued to wait. As Sen. Joni Ernst said during the confirmation hearings for retired Marine General James Mattis earlier this month, “The joke that we had in the military was that sometimes the most effective use of an M9 is to simply throw it at your adversary.” That’s less a cut on the Beretta handgun and more a slam on the process, which includes so much bureaucracy that a product is too often a dinosaur by the time its replacement actually happens.

It wasn’t that long ago when government was forced to look long and hard at how it procured cybersecurity products and services. The existing model was just too slow and arduous to keep up with the threat. While still not perfect, new models came out to enable agencies to roll out cyber products and services fast. I note this not to imply that a handgun is any more like a cybersecurity tool than an aircraft carrier, but rather to point out that acquisition models can be adapted. And the much-feared prospect of procurement reform does not need to be some massive undertaking that transforms how the Pentagon and all agencies do business with industry, across all markets.

Companies want fairness, but they also want predictability. And excessive bureaucracy in the name of fair competition, where contracting officers treat all competitions with kid gloves in fear of getting reprimanded if something goes awry, is counterproductive. It will simply drive companies not to bother, which in turn will cause competition to deteriorate.

Diligence is one thing. Foolishness is another.
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FORBIN

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Logisticians now prefer combat units :) this armored Bde have debarked to Bremerhave, Germany about 2700 vehicles, 4000 pers.



A Bat as usuali in all Armored Bdes of 18 x M109A6 in 3 batteries of 6 SPG and as many M-109 refuellers
Right now no videos where they fired
 

Janiz

Senior Member
Rare to see natural cammo :cool:

Yes, usually it looks like this

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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
Yes, usually it looks like this

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The old color pallet for US Armor was Olive drab or a 3 color Green brown black woodland.
because of the Iraq and Afgan wars the US has had to rethink existing camo the color flat dark earth is more universal then the older flat green, It's not perfect but better. However that only works at long range ( same for Camouflage uniforms) when it comes to really trying to hid a object like a tank ( or even a person) you are always going to go to the snipers handbook and assemble a Ghillie suit.
 

abc123

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the weapon itself is quite significant,


Having said that I do like the Smith M&P, in either 9mm or 40 cal.


When I said that it isn't significant, I meant that you won't either win or lose any war because you use SIG instead of S&W or vice versa...

Both of them are GOOD ENOUGH and I'm a big proponent of "the best is enemy of good enough"-school of thought...
 

Air Force Brat

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DefenseNews ranting about The Army Handgun: A New Poster Child for Acquisition Malpractice?

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The Beretta 92 is very reliable and accurate, what Senator Ernst is talking about is the debate that the 9mm is not a reliable stopper, and the desire for .40 or .45 caliber weapons which are seen as "more potent" due to larger caliber. The down side is in magazine capacity? as you lose significant capacity with either of the larger calibers.

The M&P was in the competition?? but I believe dropped out due to reliability issues??
 
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