Can be launchers previously used on the test bed ship ?
PLAN Sovremenny DDG 136, 137, 138 & 139 Thread
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To make the superstructure less cluttered they'd have to make very extensive remodelling, think they made a decision to invest just enough to make their Sovremenny class boats to be on par with the rest of the "new-breed" in the fleet by operational suites' terms, improving the logistics chain and integration into the fleet-net.
There is no reason to assume the PLAN would feel any kind of need to adopt a third (actually a fourth) type of VLS when they have a perfectly functional Mk 41-style and universal-style VLS already. Besides, there is no way a row of 2x12 VLS modules will fit on the Sovs in any case.
Your proposed location for the aft VLS is right above the propeller shaft at the end of the ship. This area is shallow, narrow and filled with drive shafts and water tight bulkheads etc. I am not sure there is room for any known PLAN VLS.
The HHQ-16-style VLS is almost certainly only 3 decks high. There are at least 3 and a half decks sitting above the propeller shafts at that location.
to be sure I am talking about picture in #306. At this part of the ship, I don't think space under the water line is useful because here the ship will be sharply narrowed inwards. I am guessing only slightly below water line and above is useful, and that is not 3 decks.
A better position for VLS is the helipad further mid-ship. And use the gun position for helipad which does not need depth.
But, feasible or not, I don't think PLA will spend too much cash on a vast re-construction of these ships. Wanting all bells and whistles on these ships would be "carried away".
Did you actually look at the side view of the Sov and not just at the top view???
Where's the fire?
Also, why do you consider a VLS installation "a vast re-construction of these ships"? You do realize there would be an empty space where the Shtil missile complex used to be, do you not?
Conservative(careful) estimation.
Strictly speaking, than Shtil-1 was designed(as project 956 upgrade) - it was estimated what each magazine is to be replaced with 36-missile VLS.
Like this:
(probably graphic only, i can't find any trial photo of #434 Admiral Ushakov with this VLS)
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What is your question by this?
You think I would miss looking at the side view which is 2 cm above the top view? I don't have a barrel vision.
The red block you drew is exactly the space that I thought of for the VLS. Which according to my (probably wrong) opinion is not 3 decks high. Actually I must remind you to read my post again, I specifically said "above waterline" which is exactly what you drew the red box.
Now, I am not a navy architects, nor do I know anything about this ship inside. I may be wrong about the height of that part of the ship. BUT, you don't need to jump so high for that.
I was talking about your proposal where you put the VLS at the aft gun post, nothing else. Changing things in the front where space is abundant is cost effective IMO. More than that is not. I was not talking bout the old missile complex.
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I misunderstood. I thought it was literally a row of 2x12 tubes. OTOH, did you read somewhere that the PLAN actually purchased this type of VLS from Russia?
TBH a rough eyeballing of that graphic should have been sufficient to estimate that the rear VLS installation wouldn't go anywhere near the shafts. BTW, as an FYI the strike length version of the Mk 41 is 7.7m high. The one I drew is actually 7.9m high and sticks out slightly above the deck.What is your question by this?
You think I would miss looking at the side view which is 2 cm above the top view? I don't have a barrel vision.
The red block you drew is exactly the space that I thought of for the VLS. Which according to my (probably wrong) opinion is not 3 decks high.
Now, I am not a navy architects, nor do I know anything about this ship inside. I may be wrong about the height of that part of the ship. BUT, you don't need to jump so high for that.
Actually, the VLS with minimal modification would just take up the space that was used by the main gun. Slightly more modification than installing a VLS into the space vacated by the Shtil complex, but not much more, certainly not a vast reconstruction.