Aircraft Carriers III

FORBIN

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The aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle on time "all Rafale"

He may be the same as it was last year, Charles de Gaulle has never been so powerful. With the decommissioning of Super Etendard Modernized (SEM) in July, the three naval aviation fighter fleets (11F, 12F, 17F) now aligning all of the Rafale.

For the first time since its commissioning in 2001, the French aircraft carrier, which will begin its next deployment in the end, is going to leave, as regards the embedded hunting, 'all Burst "mode.

More than doubling military capacity

The staff plans to deploy normally two fleets on the Charles de Gaulle, 24 aircraft, with a capacity offensive considerably greater than what the building previously projected, with an air group (GAE) still mixed compound during his last mission (November 2015-March 2016) of 8 and 18 Rafale SEM (record hitherto for the latter). "24 Rafale is in the equivalent of 48 SEM. Put simply, the military force of aircraft carriers is doubled capacity weapons carriage and even multiplied since the Rafale multi-mission and has a combat capability incommensurate with its predecessor, "said an officer .............

An aircraft capable of all missions

Extremely versatile, the Rafale has 12 operational hard points and a payload capacity of about 10 tonnes instead of 5 for Super Etendard. Obviously more modern, but also faster, and stealth maneuvering, further increased with longer, the new French fighter has the distinction can perform all types of missions and be designed to be at the highest level in all areas of fight. nuclear deterrence, air defense, anti-surface warfare, ground attack, intelligence, refueling ... The Rafale Marine, with an arrestor hook and a strengthened process for catapult-launchings, implements a wide range of weapons : ASMPA nuclear missile, air to air missile Mica EM / IR, anti-ship missile Exocet AM39, Scalp EG cruise missile up to six laser-guided bombs (GBU 12, 22, 24, 49) or arms air-ground modular (AASM), rockets baskets, a 30mm cannon ... While production aircraft delivered since the end of 2012 (from the M39 to the navy) are equipped with the active antenna radar RBE2 EASA, the Rafale, Spectra with the self-defense system, can carry a Damocles targeting pod, a Reco NG reconnaissance pod and extra cans in his "nanny" function of other devices refueling.

The F3-R standard in 2018

The commissioning of a new standard, the F-3R is expected in 2018. As part of this program, launched in late 2013, the Rafale will see its air to air capabilities, extended air-to-ground and air-sea. It will notably implement the Meteor air superiority missile and the new Talios targeting pod. The RBE2 and the Spectra system will be improved, as well as the link 16, and the Rafale integrate the Mod IFF 5. Dassault Aviation is also working on integrating a AGCAS (Automatic Ground Collision Avoidance System) to ensure the safety of drivers entered at low altitude at commitments on targets of opportunity.

42 Rafale operational next year

To date, the Navy has 42 Rafale, of the 46 delivered since 1999 (M18, M22, M24 and M25 have been lost accidentally between 2009 and 2012). The modernization program of the first 10 aircraft, operated at standard F1, will end next year with the flotilla back the last device. This fleet allows you to arm the three fleets of naval aviation and the posting of 3 devices available squadron transformation of Saint-Dizier. However, taking into account the maintenance periods, the needs for training young drivers, attrition and course of military operations, the Rafale Marine Park is actually very limited, given that in wartime the Charles de Gaulle is designed to carry more than 30 aircraft (36 announced at the time of its release), which would leave almost no reserves.

More than two control devices in

Especially as the fourth installment of the Rafale program normally has more than two aircraft in the Navy version of the M47 and M48, which will probably not be delivered until 2020/2021 given the mobilization of Dassault factories to provide programs export (Egypt, Qatar and India may soon). And, for now, no Rafale is provided in the fifth and final tranche of the program, which should cover 45 aircraft to achieve the format set by the last White Paper on defense either 225 fighters for the Air Force and naval aviation

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Jeff Head

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The staff plans to deploy normally two fleets on the Charles de Gaulle, 24 aircraft, with a capacity offensive considerably greater than what the building previously projected, with an air group (GAE) still mixed compound during his last mission (November 2015-March 2016) of 8 and 18 Rafale SEM (record hitherto for the latter). "24 Rafale is in the equivalent of 48 SEM. Put simply, the military force of aircraft carriers is doubled capacity weapons carriage and even multiplied since the Rafale multi-mission and has a combat capability incommensurate with its predecessor,
THis is very good news and makes for a very powerful Carrier Air Wing (CAW).

I wish the French had two carriers that they could work with ensuring one was always available.
 

FORBIN

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THis is very good news and makes for a very powerful Carrier Air Wing (CAW).

I wish the French had two carriers that they could work with ensuring one was always available.

Almost sure when all the 42 rafale available with last in modernization, again more easy later with 44 -45 we can get if necessary 30 on the Charles De Gaulle.

Possible up to 80 sorties a day seems reasonnable with numbers for US CVN.

A new want about 2 - 3 billions € ... surely one later, Charles De Gaulle get a service life of 40 years he have only 15 remains 25 years but unforunately right now all French watchers see the new replacing this one and i cry :( ;)
 
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Obi Wan Russell

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I think France made a big mistake cancelling PA2. As a 'requirement' it cost nothing to keep it on the books, a future Aspiration, and maintained the idea that if a new carrier was ordered it would be to supplement CdG. Cancelling the 'Aspiration' of PA2 didn't stop talk of a new carrier, it just shifted it to be a replacement for CdG, and tied any such project to the Out of Service Date (OSD) of the existing ship, or as we say in the UK, 'Kicked it into the Long Grass' (soccer metaphor for USians). It would now take a brave Leader of a very secure administration in France to reverse this and bring forward an order for a 'supplementary' carrier, though I wonder if once the two QECs are in service it might spark just enough envy and National pride amongst Our Gallic Cousins to get the project off the ground...
 

Obi Wan Russell

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...And of course an order for a second carrier would mean further orders for Rafale Ms to fill out her air group, providing continued support for the French Aircraft Industry.
 

Jeff Head

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I think France made a big mistake cancelling PA2. As a 'requirement' it cost nothing to keep it on the books, a future Aspiration, and maintained the idea that if a new carrier was ordered it would be to supplement CdG. Cancelling the 'Aspiration' of PA2 didn't stop talk of a new carrier, it just shifted it to be a replacement for CdG, and tied any such project to the Out of Service Date (OSD) of the existing ship, or as we say in the UK, 'Kicked it into the Long Grass' (soccer metaphor for USians). It would now take a brave Leader of a very secure administration in France to reverse this and bring forward an order for a 'supplementary' carrier, though I wonder if once the two QECs are in service it might spark just enough envy and National pride amongst Our Gallic Cousins to get the project off the ground...
SPOT ON thinking there Obi Wan.

For whatever reason, it is clear to everyone (except progressive liberals in general) that France (like the UK) needs a minimum of two carriers.
 

Jeff Head

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Looks as if development of JS Kaga is doing fine.
Here is a vid showing her going out to open sea to under go her first test run. She will go under various tests such as top speed run, crash stop test, maneuverability test and so on before handing it over to JMSDF.

The JS Kaga, DDH-184, is a beautiful ship. It is GREAT to see her on trials.

Yes, beautiful ship...and nice to see all four of them now (2 Hyuga Classand 2 x Izumo Class) at sea now. Here are ome stills of Kaga leaving for trials:

000-Kaga-01.jpg 000-Kaga-02.jpg 000-Kaga-03.jpg 000-Kaga-04.jpg 000-Kaga-05.jpg

Now it's time for the JMSDF to build four even newer ones about the size of the Izumo but specifically designed and treated for Fixed air wing operations (err...like F-35B, an ASW V-22, and an AEW V-22).
How nice would that be!
 

FORBIN

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Aircraft carriers aviation capacities :

With it we have number of sorties for QE, rare interesting infos

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Sorties a day
QE 72
Charles De Gaulle 80
Nimitz 120 minimum about 160 max IIRC
Ford 160 up to 200

Also essential aviation logistic : fuel aviation and ammunitions
QE 3600 t ( for ship 5000 t ), ammos ? possible about 500 t ?

Charles de Gaulle 3200 t, 600 t ammos + fuel usable for escort 800 t

Rio de Janeiro/Foch 1600 t, about 300 t

Nimitz/Ford 9000 t, 3000 t + fuel usable for escort ?
For comparison : Enterprise : 8500 + 2500 ; Kitty hawk 5900 + 1200

Kuznetsov Liaoning also ofc 2500 t fuel av, for ammos i get minimum about 250 t ?

Vikramaditya : 1500 t, ammos ?
Wasp : 1200 t, ammos 300 t ??
America : 3100 t, ammos ?
 
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