Same bird Deino posted two days ago.
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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Same bird Deino posted two days ago.
What these "high level" discussions between the US and China specifically have to do with EOTS on J-20? Do you have anything concrete here to add? Or you're just letting your imagination and bias running wild?
FORBIN and anyone can express their opinion here in a public forum, and I can express opinion on these opinions too.
All of these accusations against China "stealing" have been going on for quite a while, much of them are politically-motivated and many are bordering on being very ridiculous. Use some common sense, please.
I don't see anything positive or productive coming out of this particular discussion with you. I can stop here.
As in cars are all look alike? Televisions are all somewhat look alike and bikes all have two wheels?
Only idiot answer, fake and/or meaningless arguments and now in more you go for bias, your not honnest, serious again less fair... pffffff 
It is the "2011" only in 2014 which is the first J-20 proto with the EOTS, soo undoubtedly Chinese can, have time for copied...i don' t say have do...
It is the "2011" only in 2014 which is the first J-20 proto with the EOTS, soo undoubtedly Chinese can, have time for copied...i don' t say have do...
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The US has acknowledged leaking of F-35 info. However, we don't know what has been leaked and how much has been leaked.
We always emphasize the seemingly undefeated capability of Chinese cyber intelligence forces. One thing that we seem to unfairly ignore is the capability of US counter-intelligence. They are no slouches either. Just compare both countries' civilian high tech industry. I don't see how the Chinese cyber intelligence could simply walk in and take whatever they want, especially when the target is such a high profile project.
Specifically about the F-35 info. How important was the data stolen? Was it about the EOTS, or about the landing gear, or about the leather on the pilot seat, or something else that is less sensitive? Could it be possible that it was actually false info planned by the US counter-intelligence, which was specifically designed to mislead the Chinese? Things like these have happened plenty times in the Cold War and other times in history between rivals.
Given the advanced equipment, capability and experience of the US counter-intelligence, I highly doubt the usefulness of leaked F-35 data.
We always emphasize the seemingly undefeated capability of Chinese cyber intelligence forces. One thing that we seem to unfairly ignore is the capability of US counter-intelligence. They are no slouches either. Just compare both countries' civilian high tech industry. I don't see how the Chinese cyber intelligence could simply walk in and take whatever they want, especially when the target is such a high profile project.
Specifically about the F-35 info. How important was the data stolen? Was it about the EOTS, or about the landing gear, or about the leather on the pilot seat, or something else that is less sensitive? Could it be possible that it was actually false info planned by the US counter-intelligence, which was specifically designed to mislead the Chinese? Things like these have happened plenty times in the Cold War and other times in history between rivals.
Given the advanced equipment, capability and experience of the US counter-intelligence, I highly doubt the usefulness of leaked F-35 data.
This is really big news.
If the PLAAF Test and Training Cadre now has the aircraft, things are going to start popping.
I'll refrain from responding to this.Only idiot answer, fake and/or meaningless arguments and now in more you go for bias, your not honnest, serious again less fair... pffffff
I see. Let me summarize. Your evidence are that 1) their external shapes look alike, and 2) they have three years to copy and work on, which you think is sufficient time. Of course, you're not saying they copy it. So it's not an accusation. It's just logically possible. Is my understanding correct?It is the "2011" only in 2014 which is the first J-20 proto with the EOTS, soo undoubtedly Chinese can, have time for copied...i don' t say have do...
Without more evidence, I suggest we leave it there - that is, your conjecture.
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It is commonly acknowledged that cyber is an offensive dominated environment, where it is far easier to penetrate an opposing network than it is to defend your own.
There are always bugs in the code, so cyber-security experts have acknowledged that it impossible to create a secure cyber-perimeter around an organisational network, and that intrusion detection has to operate by detecting anomalous actions or data flows.
It is possible that there are false flag operations, but you only have to look at the OPM hack of security clearance files as an example of lax security.
It is commonly acknowledged that cyber is an offensive dominated environment, where it is far easier to penetrate an opposing network than it is to defend your own.
There are always bugs in the code, so cyber-security experts have acknowledged that it impossible to create a secure cyber-perimeter around an organisational network, and that intrusion detection has to operate by detecting anomalous actions or data flows.
It is possible that there are false flag operations, but you only have to look at the OPM hack of security clearance files as an example of lax security.
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