056 class FFL/corvette

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I think the current 056 can stand its ground against most Southeast Asian naval vessels. Just how many rounds in modern warfare should we reasonably expect two engaging vessels to trade if there were to be a clash?

If you're thinking of pitting the 056 against East Asian naval vessels, I think lone encounters like that would be rare given the closer proximity of land based assets as well as other naval assets.

I'm thinking of the 056 as lone or paired defensive patroller or escort for lower value targets within the first island chain in wartime.

My assumptions were:
- a minimum of 2x ASM shot per self-defense capable target
- 1x ASM per self-defense incapable target
- 2x self-defense incapable targets escorted per 056
- 2x SAM per inbound ASM

That means the base 056 is only good for 1x exchange of fire defensively while having 2x attempts against an enemy combatant. If each base 056 carries an even mix of anti-ship and anti-sub missiles then it would only have 1x attempt against an enemy combatant of each type. This may be sufficient for a single encounter with a lone missile boat or maybe even a lone sub but it is highly likely the 056 will be encountering more hostile forces than that before reinforcements can get involved.

Doubling each 056's ASM and SAM totals for a Combat version would allow it to last through 2x exchanges of fire.

Pairing a Combat version with a Surveillance version equipped with both an armed UAV and USV/UUV, even if each unmanned vehicle only carries a single lightweight torpedo, enables the entire convoy to last through 3x exchanges of fire, have a better chance against a lone sub, and should buy enough time for reinforcements to arrive.

There is a wave of up-arming all across Asia specifically all around the first island chain both on land and in the sea, the base 056 is just not good enough in wartime even as a defensive node in a network.
 
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AndrewS

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@PanAsian

Yes, everyone in Asia is uparming, but look at the extremely low base that they're starting from.

In the South China Seas, China overwhelms everyone else and that gap is already growing larger every year.

And for most other contingencies, China needs larger ships like destroyers or the Type-54 frigate.

So yes, the Type-56 could carry another 4 ASMs, but there's not really any need for them. So it saves some money and allows for extra space for future systems to be added.
 
@PanAsian

Yes, everyone in Asia is uparming, but look at the extremely low base that they're starting from.

In the South China Seas, China overwhelms everyone else and that gap is already growing larger every year.

And for most other contingencies, China needs larger ships like destroyers or the Type-54 frigate.

So yes, the Type-56 could carry another 4 ASMs, but there's not really any need for them. So it saves some money and allows for extra space for future systems to be added.

It's not just about the SCS, look at the ECS, look at a Taiwan or even Koreas scenario. Some of the larger ships will definitely be doing escort duty but there aren't enough of those to go around.

Nor is it just about additional ASMs, the additional SAMs are even more important, and the extra space you mentioned would be nice except there likely isn't any left with the additional ASW equipment on the 056As while that available space below the helipad on stock 056s has limited usefulness without significant modification.
 

AndrewS

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A Type-56 is fundamentally unsuited for escort duty. It doesn't have a decent radar nor medium-range SAMs for AAW.

If you add this to a Type-56, you essentially get a Type-54 Frigate capability.
And there is a reason why the Type-54 has to be a lot bigger and heavier than the Type-56.

If we go with your argument that there aren't enough escorts, then the defensive answer is to build more Type-54 frigates, not to build more Type-56. The offensive answer would be to sink the submarine/ship resupply vessels and attack the opposing air/naval bases.

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The Type-56 is probably around $50-60million? and would be a cheap platform to put ASW, UUV, UAV capabilities on.

We can already see the base design left space for a VDS to be retrofitted, so presumably there is some expansion space for the future.

Personally I'd like to see more hanger space on Chinese ships though
 

steve_rolfe

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Further info on the commissioning of the 27th 056 Corvette, according to the Chinese Wiki page.

The vessel pennant No:- 509......Huaian, was built at Hudong shipyard, and is to join the East fleet.

Looking at the launching dates, we should see the commissioning of vessel '512'.........Heze very soon, as that vessel was launched even before the 'Huaian'.
 

Iron Man

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The Type-56 is probably around $50-60million? and would be a cheap platform to put ASW, UUV, UAV capabilities on.

We can already see the base design left space for a VDS to be retrofitted, so presumably there is some expansion space for the future.

Personally I'd like to see more hanger space on Chinese ships though
It's spelled "hangar" not "hanger", BTW.

Unfortunately I don't see any available space for a UAV to be stored on the 056, unless you are talking about the ones you can launch with your arm, or you plan to not use the swing-out triple torpedo launchers port and starboard, in which case you could store a couple moderately sized UAVs right next to the torpedoes. A UUV is possible if you remove the RHIB and replace it with a UUV instead.
 

plawolf

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I'm thinking of the 056 as lone or paired defensive patroller or escort for lower value targets within the first island chain in wartime.

My assumptions were:
- a minimum of 2x ASM shot per self-defense capable target
- 1x ASM per self-defense incapable target
- 2x self-defense incapable targets escorted per 056
- 2x SAM per inbound ASM

That means the base 056 is only good for 1x exchange of fire defensively while having 2x attempts against an enemy combatant. If each base 056 carries an even mix of anti-ship and anti-sub missiles then it would only have 1x attempt against an enemy combatant of each type. This may be sufficient for a single encounter with a lone missile boat or maybe even a lone sub but it is highly likely the 056 will be encountering more hostile forces than that before reinforcements can get involved.

Doubling each 056's ASM and SAM totals for a Combat version would allow it to last through 2x exchanges of fire.

Pairing a Combat version with a Surveillance version equipped with both an armed UAV and USV/UUV, even if each unmanned vehicle only carries a single lightweight torpedo, enables the entire convoy to last through 3x exchanges of fire, have a better chance against a lone sub, and should buy enough time for reinforcements to arrive.

There is a wave of up-arming all across Asia specifically all around the first island chain both on land and in the sea, the base 056 is just not good enough in wartime even as a defensive node in a network.

I think you are making a fundamental logical mistep here.

You are taking a typical peacetime deployment 056 and throwing it into a total war zone scenario.

056s operate alone during peacetime for low intensity/risk patrols that are mostly about showing the flag.

If tensions ever got so high that actual combat was even a remote possibility, you will see those 056 patrols significantly beefed up with heavy support in the form of line combatants of 054A class and beyond acting as command ships backing up forward patrols of paired or even groups of 056s operating as a wolf pack.

The only scenario where an 056 would find itself so outnumbered as to need to take on 2-3 enemies at the same time or in quick succession is of someone decided to launch an alpha strike ambush.

If that was the case, it wouldn't really matter what asset was the subject of the ambush. It could be one 056, an 054A, 052D or even 055, if an enemy wants to launch a surprise attack, they would bring sufficient numbers and firepower to overwhelm their target.

The only hard counter against that is to deploy something like a full carrier
Strike group with more ships, fighters and firepower for an entire national navy and Air Force to take on.

Need I point out how absurd it would be to use that sort of heavy presence for routine patrols 'just in case'?

The current strategy is to use 056s almost as tripwires.

Anyone wanting to launch a surprise attack against China would need to get past the 055 screens first.

To leave the 056 would allow it to warn fleet command of an unusually large foreign force moving towards key Chinese fleet assets and put the juicy targets in high alert and also leave dangerous forces behind the ambushing force when they make their move. To attack the 056 would similarly tip their hand to such an attack.

It is better to loose a single 056 to such a sudden attack that a wolf pack or heavier, more important warship.

The primary job of the 056 is such a scenario would be to hold off long enough to get a warning off to the rest of the Chinese fleet. If they can inflict some damage on their ambushers, it's a bonus.

For the 056 it's not its own armaments that keep them safe from such attacks, but the promise of the terrible retribution the rest of the PLAN would inflict in turn on the aggressors.
 

Brainsuker

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smaller as it is, I still considered the 056 as a capable combatant. Don't compare it with the USN arsenals. That job belong to the bigger boys. But look at the ASEAN navies in general. Compared to their naval combatant, 056 is already top tier, although maybe not the best.
 

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I am sure I have made this point before, but it is worth making it again.
The big difference between today's warships and those of 100 years ago, is that hull size is no longer the factor of limitation for the range of its offensive armament.
In that sense, the 056 has the same range and killing power of even the largest PLAN destroyer, even if the overall firepower is much reduced. This is a big difference and makes even small ships powerful additions to a fleet and their main/Capitol ships.

Small, fast, stealthy and easy to replenish at sea, will make these very valuable assets in a major confrontation, as part of a larger and more capable fleet and not targets that an enemy can simply afford to ignore.
 
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