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lcloo

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In 2016 by fzgfzy

6. Beside launching of aircraft carrier, there is a large ship (?).

7. Ship pennant number 88 (Berth ship for CV 16) will be sent to Nasha shipyard for refit.

8. South Sea will have a new 5,000 tonnes ship (classified for the moment)

9. Purely a wish. YU9 and YU10 (torpedo ?)

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Jeff Head

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In 2016 by fzgfzy

Beside launching of aircraft carrier...

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Asi I said int he PLAN Aircraft carrier thread, if they launch 001A in April 2016, it will have a LOT of structural work left to do yet. They have not even started the flight deck, or the bow and stern of the vessel yet. Not to mention the island.

They may do it for political reasons...after all, the Indians already launched their first indigenous carrier, the Vikrant in June of 2015, so they may feel the need to get theirs in the water.

But that would surprise me from the Chinese. Normally, they are very pragmatic and are not influenced in their own scheduling by such things.

If they wanted to get the new carrier, 001A completely ready for launch, like they have done other major naval vessels, I would say it would be in early 2017 before launch

Time will tell.
 

FarkTypeSoldier

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No. 167 upgrading continues...

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Full starboard view


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Portside view


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Artist's Impression of Fully Upgraded no. 167


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Artist's Impression of Fully Upgraded no. 167


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Artist's Impression of Fully Upgraded no. 167


Reports speculated that the upgrades includes a new interrogated mast, whole new radar system, set of air-defence upgrade, new anti-ship missiles, a pair of CIWS and probably a lengthened hangar. The whole upgrading period may complete in 2017.
 

Jeff Head

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Reuters is confirming the build of the second Chinese carrier from a Ministry of defense spokesman.

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Reuters said:
BEIJING, Dec 31 (Reuters) - After months of speculation, China confirmed on Thursday it is building a second aircraft carrier to go with an existing one bought second-hand, as neighbours worry about Beijing's new assertiveness to claims in the South China Sea.

Defence Ministry spokesman Yang Yujun said the carrier had been designed in China and was being built in the port of Dalian. Foreign military analysts and Chinese media have for months published satellite images, photographs and news stories purporting to show the second carrier's development.

"China has a long coast line and a vast maritime area under our jurisdiction. To safeguard our maritime sovereignty, interests and rights is the sacred mission of the Chinese armed forces," Yang said.

The design draws on experiences from the country's first aircraft carrier, the Liaoning, bought from Ukraine in 1998 and refitted in China, Yang said.

Yang said the conventionally powered carrier has a displacement of 50,000 tonnes, will be able to operate the Shenyang J-15 fighter and, unlike the 60,000-tonne Liaoning, have a ski-jump take-off.

Little is known about China's aircraft carrier programme, which is a state secret.

Yang would not say when the second carrier would enter service, saying it depended on progress in the design process.

A Shanghai-based naval expert who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the matter said tensions in the South China Sea made the carrier particularly necessary to furthering Chinese interests.

"The U.S. has many aircraft carriers that are traveling all over the place in the South China Sea, which has caused problems for us," he said. "Having a second aircraft carrier reduces the pressure on us. It will keep us from being bullied."

China claims almost all the South China Sea, believed to have huge deposits of oil and gas, through which about $5 trillion in ship-borne trade passes every year, and has been building up military facilities like runways on the islands it controls.

Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan and Vietnam also have claims.

China says it has no hostile intent and wants to manage the dispute through bilateral talks with the other claimants. Yang also announced the defence ministry had just set up a new hotline with Vietnam, as it seeks to manage the tensions.

But Beijing has been involved in a diplomatic spat with Washington too over ship and aircraft patrols in the region.

Asked whether China was thinking of a third carrier, Yang said that "relevant authorities" would take various factors into consideration about future carrier plans.

The Pentagon, in a report earlier this year, said Beijing could build multiple aircraft carriers over the next 15 years.

Taiwan's Defence Ministry said in September China was building two aircraft carriers that would be the same size as the Liaoning.

Successfully operating the Liaoning is the first step in what state media and some military experts believe will be the deployment of domestically built carriers by 2020.

The Liaoning has taken part in military exercises, including in the South China Sea, but is not yet fully operational.

Last week, the military said the Liaoning had made a "key breakthrough" in shifting from the testing phase to being able to operate ship-borne aircraft, as the country's navy chief paid a visit.
 

Jeff Head

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From the Reuters article:

The translation we saw said 50,000 tonnes size and that is Liaoning too with 58,500.
And concerning the ski-jump ......
Clearly, the translation is lacking, or the knowledge level.

But I believe that it is clear that what we are seeing in Dalian is the 2nd carrier, and that we now have higher level Chinese confirmation of it.
 
I find it interesting that 167 is being upgraded at the same time as the PLAN's Sovs. I wonder if there will be a degree of commonality with both sets of upgrades.

As already partially confirmed the gun and/or missile CIWS and the universal VLS are likely, though I have a hard time picturing where the universal VLS would fit on the Sovs.
 
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