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[Brumby]

I see. Then I have two follow up questions:

1: would you say that you are generally dismissive of all surveys that involve hypothetical scenarios? Because hypothetical scenarios are the basis of virtually all psychological, social, marketing research, or any research involving the predicting of behaviours and opinions.
2: if the results of this survey had been (let's say...) 71% supports joining Japan and the US in a conflict scenario and only 15% supported neutrality, would you still be completely dismissive of the survey and results because it is driven by abstract hypotheticals rather than actual events?

I am not dismissive of surveys but I would consider this type to be the exception. Going into a conflict is a serious matter and therefore warrant serious consideration based on facts especially any conflict between China and US potentially can mean the end of civilisation as we know of it whether Australia is drawn into it or not. When surveys are conducted of this nature, they already skews the result because on hypotheticals we tend to err on the safe side of not getting involved. When an actual issue is presented, the hard choices then has to be made and human nature when push comes to shove default to core values when making decisions. Should the US enter into a conflict with China, the decision itself would have been carefully considered and the decision tree for Australia and the corresponding decision would likely be similar because we share many common core values.

As to the question of a poll in favour of Japan, firstly I would be very surprise by such a result and would probably have an interest in understanding the nature of the poll unlike the one being considered because the latter is within expectation. Secondly. I would still discount it because polls in Australia especially around politics tend to fluctuate significantly around events and policies and is exactly why I stated that I would not give any weighting to this particular poll.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

I see. Then I have two follow up questions:

1: would you say that you are generally dismissive of all surveys that involve hypothetical scenarios? Because hypothetical scenarios are the basis of virtually all psychological, social, marketing research, or any research involving the predicting of behaviours and opinions.
2: if the results of this survey had been (let's say...) 71% supports joining Japan and the US in a conflict scenario and only 15% supported neutrality, would you still be completely dismissive of the survey and results because it is driven by abstract hypotheticals rather than actual events?

As a marketer myself you usually do not write a scenario that may happen solely based on a single survey, you also look at past trends that occurred in similar situations to create a more rounded opinion. Basically history tends to repeat itself.

No I would not place any bets if the figures were opposite either.

As I posted earlier this has very little relevance if any if it actually occurred.

 

[Blitzo]

As a marketer myself you usually do not write a scenario that may happen solely based on a single survey, you also look at past trends that occurred in similar situations to create a more rounded opinion. Basically history tends to repeat itself.

No I would not place any bets if the figures were opposite either.

As I posted earlier this has very little relevance if any if it actually occurred.

Well your opinion doesn't exactly go against mine -- I deliberately chose a broad conclusion, that is that the results of this survey requires more investigation. The entire point of this particular survey is that its result has almost gone against what one would expect, so it's worth at least exploring further.

I'm not sure what you mean by "write a scenario that may happen solely based on a single survey" -- because I'm not making any kind of definitive conclusion based on the results of this survey. Or are you saying that their survey's methodology is incorrect?

 

[Blitzo]

I am not dismissive of surveys but I would consider this type to be the exception. Going into a conflict is a serious matter and therefore warrant serious consideration based on facts especially any conflict between China and US potentially can mean the end of civilisation as we know of it whether Australia is drawn into it or not. When surveys are conducted of this nature, they already skews the result because on hypotheticals we tend to err on the safe side of not getting involved. When an actual issue is presented, the hard choices then has to be made and human nature when push comes to shove default to core values when making decisions. Should the US enter into a conflict with China, the decision itself would have been carefully considered and the decision tree for Australia and the corresponding decision would likely be similar because we share many common core values.

Sure.
I think the interesting thing this survey, and indeed the larger growth of the Chinese-Australian trading relationship, is just how important these common core values and shared history between Australia and the US will be as we start to hit the meat of the 21st century. That'll obviously depend on an entire myriad of factors, and I'm not even going to pretend to speculate as to how it'll unfold, apart from saying it'll be interesting. That is why the results of this survey is such a surprise -- even if it may not be wholly representative of a decision by the Australian govt in deciding whether to enter a conflict or not. I'm interested in whether this survey is just a blip or the beginning of a larger shift in public opinion.

As to the question of a poll in favour of Japan, firstly I would be very surprise by such a result and would probably have an interest in understanding the nature of the poll unlike the one being considered because the latter is within expectation. Secondly. I would still discount it because polls in Australia especially around politics tend to fluctuate significantly around events and policies and is exactly why I stated that I would not give any weighting to this particular poll.

Okay, fair enough.

Although I think in this case, I'd hazard that it is less about how Australians perceive its own govt policies and internal events (which tend to fluctuate quite a bit in my experience), and more about how Australians perceive China/Japan/US and their own economic and security benefits and risks in the region.
I'm not sure how much fluctuation Australians have on matters of its regional security and economic relationships with other countries, but as a Kiwi observer looking across the ditch I think it's a bit less than their opinion towards internal Australian politics. At least only in the scope of the last couple of decades. I'm not sure how valid it is including the patterns of the previous century, given Australia's national psyche has changed quite dramatically from the early/mid 20th century.

 

[Jeff Head]

Leave the politics out of these discussions.

Paintgun you are getting a warning for the post that was deleted.

 

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HMAS Canberra hosted the launch of the Australia Day Council of New South Wales’ 2015 Australia Day Program.

The newly commissioned Landing Helicopter Dock will be the centrepiece of celebrations on Sydney Harbour for Australia Day, positioned between the Opera House and the Harbour Bridge.

Commander Australian Fleet, Rear Admiral Stuart Mayer said the Australian Defence Force would be supporting events across the country in both regional and metropolitan areas.

This Australia Day is the first one celebrated with the newest addition to our fleet and the Navy is honoured to participate alongside the community in this year’s celebrations.

The ship will be pivotal to the ‘Salute to Australia’ that will involve a 21 gun salute by the Army from Bradley’s Head and a fly past by the Air Force.

Navy will also provide helicopter displays and water craft in support of activities around the Harbour.

The Royal Australian Navy provides significant support to Australia Day celebrations each year. Since 1988, the Navy has assisted with the traditional Australia Day Regatta on Sydney Harbour, often providing the flagship when operational commitments allow.

I have to say...HMAS Canberra, LHD-02, is looking good. I posted this article mainly to show this pic of her.

 

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I found this:

in the article from yesterday "All The Weapons Australia's New F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Is Designed To Carry"
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Initiative, training and the rapid response by Australian Navy’s Armidale Class Patrol Boat, HMAS Launceston (ACPB 94) crew, Assail Four has saved the life of a Chinese mariner, critically injured at sea, 80 nautical miles south-east of Christmas Island.

The merchant seaman had suffered a serious fall aboard the vessel MV Peng Hu Wang on New Year’s Day, breaking an ankle and sustaining a life-threatening puncture wound to the chest.

Embarked in HMAS Launceston, Assail Four conducted the high speed mercy dash at the request of the Rescue Coordination Centre (RCC) Australia. At the crew’s initiative, the patrol boat transferred a specialist medical officer from a nearby Australian Customs and Border Protection Service (ACBPS) Vessel.

Less than two hours later Launceston received the casualty, together with an English-speaking Chinese chaperone. Launceston’s Primary Health Care Provider, Petty Officer Naval Police Coxswain Luke Miller took charge of the evolution.

On arrival back at Flying Fish Cove, Christmas Island, HMAS Launceston was met by paramedics on a Pusher Barge who took the casualty to the Christmas Island Medical Centre for further treatment.

Good on our Aussie friends down under!

 

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Good on our Aussie friends down under!

Absolutely and that is a fine looking vessel, she looks like she will fly??? anybody want to venture a max cruising speed on this vessel?

 

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27 ASW and tactical transport helicopters MRH90, MH60 and S70

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