Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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Blitzo

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This is why Beijing is it ignoring the protesters. At the end of the day, at best there is still too much potential for subversion. At worst, this entire fiasco was a mission on the outset to attempt and subvert the central government


Protest co-organizer Martin Lee sets stage, introduces "Occupy Central" characters in April 2014 talk before US State Department's National Endowment for Democracy.

October 5, 2014 (Tony Cartalucci - LD) - The slogans, leaders, and agenda of the "Occupy Central" movement are supposedly the manifestations of Hong Kong's desire for "total democracy," "universal suffrage," and "freedom." In reality, the leaders of "Occupy Central" are verified to be directly backed, funded, and directed by the US State Department, its National Endowment for Democracy (NED), and its subsidiary, the National Democratic Institute (NDI).

Despite admitting this overwhelming evidence, many "Occupy Central" supporters still insist the protests are genuine and now some propose that the "Occupy Central" leadership does not truly represent the people of Hong Kong. While the leadership of "Occupy Central" indeed in no way represent the people of Hong Kong, the fact still remains that the protest itself was prearranged at least as early as April 2014, revealed by "Occupy Central" co-organizers Martin Lee and Anson Chan before NED in Washington DC.



The talk titled, "Why Democracy in Hong Kong Matters," spanned an hour, with NED regional vice president Louisa Greve leading the duo through a full introduction of the "Occupy Central" movement, its characters, agenda, demands, and talking points. Anson Chan - Hong Kong’s Chief Secretary under British rule - in particular, with her perfect British accent, insisted repeatedly that the issue was China's apparent backtracking on "deals" made with the UK over the handover of Hong Kong in the late 1990's.

Lee, as well as members of the audience, repeatedly stated that Hong Kong's role was to "infect" mainland China with its Western-style institutions, laws, and interests. Lee also repeatedly appealed to Washington specifically to ensure they remained committed to defending American interests in Hong Kong.

Both Lee and Chan would also state that since China appears to be concerned over global perception of how it rules its people, this could be exploited to excise from Beijing concessions over Hong Kong's governance. This included mention of previous protests, including those led by "activist" Joshua Wong and his suspicious "Scholarism" organization that has been tracked since at least 2012 by the US State Department's NDI. And of course, future destabilization was submitted as a viable solution to bending Beijing toward Western concessions.

For those able to listen to the entire 1 hour interview as well as questions and answers, the entire "Occupy Central" narrative is laid bare, verbatim, in Washington DC months before demonstrations began in the streets of Hong Kong. For a supposed "pro-democracy" protest seeking self-governance and self-determination and denouncing "interference" from Beijing, that their leaders are funded by foreign interests, and the plans for "Occupy Central" laid in a foreign capital is ironic at best - utter and very intentional deceit at worst.

Democracy indeed assumes self-governance and self determination. If the US State Department is colluding with, funding, and directing the politicians and protest leaders behind "Occupy Central," the people of Hong Kong are governing and determining nothing - Washington and Wall Street are. Martin Lee and collaborator Anson Chan complain about Beijing dictating policy in Hong Kong, while they sit together in a room full of foreign interests who would dictate Hong Kong's governance instead.

Laid bare is "Occupy Central's" true agenda. It is not about having Hong Kong vote for who they desire to see in power, it is about getting the foreign-backed political cabal behind "Occupy Central" into power, and disarming Beijing of any means to prevent what is for all intents and purposes the "soft" recolonization of Hong Kong, and a further attempt to divide and destabilize China as a whole.

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shen

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You know, I think they should just let the protesters stay there. Let them do their thing, and if they keep there and inconvenience people, then the public will turn on them one at a time.

Let's see how long they can keep going for.

They seems to be clearing the major highways blocked by the protesters but not seriously trying to disperse them from residential area such as Mong Kok, respecting the protestors right to be pelted by garbage from the residents.
 

shen

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we've seen photos of the blue line of HK police protecting these spoiled brats from the wrath of frustrated Mong Kok residents. here are two videos.

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[video=youtube;nM7qituZE4k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nM7qituZE4k[/video]

[video=youtube;_LcbzunJGjM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LcbzunJGjM[/video]
 
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AssassinsMace

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It fits the pattern of Obama's foreign policy strategy. Anything is open game just as long as American troops are not on the ground. That's why Obama and Hillary were inspired by the Arab Spring. Governments turned without direct US involvement. So it's easy to believe Obama was involved in Ukraine just as easy to believe the US has something to with what's happening in Hong Kong. The interesting thing is the Western media after giving attention to it romanticizing the protestors when it started... not so much now. I just heard this morning how these protests were in a small part responsible for the recent downturn in global markets. Another pattern of what results out of Obama's foreign policy... it turns out not to go as planned. Is that why the vomit inducing romanticizing of these protestors has gone away? They didn't expect China to do nothing. Like I've said before there are people on the protestors' side who wanted a crackdown to happen because it's not like their lives were at risk. These protestors weren't talking to Beijing. They were talking to the Western world. China doing nothing and these protestors expecting the West to take on China... that's called not going as planned. It's these protestors that were suppose to do all the dirty work and a crackdown with deaths certainly would've sparked it. Now you see the same deer-in-the-headlights reaction as a result of the 'Pivot towards Asia." China isn't doing what was expected and now blowback is commencing and they don't know how to resolve it. These protestors aren't going to admit they were wrong just like they won't admit all those bad-having Chinese tourist stereotypes they use to get people hate mainlanders were around decades before Beijing allowed overseas tourism for mainlanders. Meaning Hong Kongers and Taiwanese started the stereotype. That's why Beijing should do nothing and let these protestors destroy themselves with their short-sightedness.

I said from the beginning about how these protestors shouldn't be bragging about how non-violent they are because when authorities don't give them what they want, they will have to resort to violence and that's what's happening right now. They're the ones resorting to property damage now and being violent over police taking down their barricades. In the US protestors wouldn't be allowed to bring in cement to fortify. They're trying to get the world to identify with them. Being upset about tear gas being used just shows how the rest of the world doesn't identify with them. If they were anywhere else, they would experience to the least continuous tear gas where it wouldn't cross their minds they can bring in the use of cement and then water cannons to wipe out their barricades.

I also love how Anonymous is supposedly hacking to expose... what? Would anyone be surprised to find out anything that wasn't known or accused of before of a communist country? Exposing secret government policies only work on countries that publicly declare themselves open and free and they don't have secret government policies. Yeah and like these people know how to read Chinese? Wouldn't the "Chinese" members of Anonymous already have been hacking and exposing beforehand? Yet we've heard nothing or at least nothing that's not surprising.
 

ancestral

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I just read this article on the New York Times and am now frustrated by the depressing comments in it. It looks like the majority of the NYT readers are clueless about China, not to mention the situation in Hong Kong. The cold war stereotype and condescending attitude about the superiority of their morality are blinding all reasons. And to think this is touted as the best news publication in the world read by the intellectuals.

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Blackstone

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You know, I think they should just let the protesters stay there. Let them do their thing, and if they keep there and inconvenience people, then the public will turn on them one at a time.

The problem with that is "journalists" in rags like the New York Slime (Times) would spin events with half-truths and outright lies to blame the authorities instead of the rabble rousers for violence, injuries, and property damage. Truth seldom stand in the way of those people. The US military learned the hard way in Vietnam what sleazy scum the "main stream" media really is, and since then will only allow them access under strict rules.
 

Doombreed

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It fits the pattern of Obama's foreign policy strategy. Anything is open game just as long as American troops are not on the ground. That's why Obama and Hillary were inspired by the Arab Spring. Governments turned without direct US involvement. So it's easy to believe Obama was involved in Ukraine just as easy to believe the US has something to with what's happening in Hong Kong.

Blame everything on Obama. The guy just can't get a break. Not every protest has to have a CIA hand in it. This is as bad as some Arabs thinking that everything bad that happens have an Israeli hand in it. By implying that this is somehow initiated and sustained by an outside force, you're trivialising Hong Konger's legitimate grievances.
 

Blitzo

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Blame everything on Obama. The guy just can't get a break. Not every protest has to have a CIA hand in it. This is as bad as some Arabs thinking that everything bad that happens have an Israeli hand in it. By implying that this is somehow initiated and sustained by an outside force, you're trivialising Hong Konger's legitimate grievances.

If their grievances present a clear likelihood of subversion then they are a threat and yes it means their legitimate grievances will not be seen as legitimate.

Unless they have a clear voice and a more moderate plan, they will be seen negatively and their legitimate grievances ignored.
 

Blackstone

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Blame everything on Obama. The guy just can't get a break. Not every protest has to have a CIA hand in it. This is as bad as some Arabs thinking that everything bad that happens have an Israeli hand in it. By implying that this is somehow initiated and sustained by an outside force, you're trivialising Hong Konger's legitimate grievances.

What legitimate grievances???? HKSAR and Beijing are observing the terms of governance, as enumerated in Basic Law, so pray tell what civil liberties you believe HK/Beijing have abridged?
 

AssassinsMace

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Blame everything on Obama. The guy just can't get a break. Not every protest has to have a CIA hand in it. This is as bad as some Arabs thinking that everything bad that happens have an Israeli hand in it. By implying that this is somehow initiated and sustained by an outside force, you're trivialising Hong Konger's legitimate grievances.

I love the "blame Obama card" card. You mean just like Beijing is hiring thugs and not the counter protests are legitimately coming from other Hong Kongers? Or how about falsely accused perverts are being hired by Beijing too molest women in the crowd? It's just like people who point the finger don't like the finger legitimately pointed right back. So in their mind they're protected from being called a hypocrite.

Let's face the truth... these protestors and their actions show how they break the stereotype that all Asians are smart. So someone has to be the leaders of these lemmings.
 
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