Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

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delft

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Re: OC Hong Kong is back

They'reee baaack... "Occupy Central," Hong Kong version is back with a repackaged "open letter" to Xi Jinping demanding the dismissal of current HK Chief Executive Leung Chun-ying, and institution of OC Hong Kong-defined "democracy."

Two things immediately struck me about the letter are OCHK revolutionaries are well-versed in Saul Alinsky, and the open letter to Xi Jinping is written in... English. ENGLISH??? Bad move kiddos, the average Chinese might be offended by Chinese petitioners appealing to the emperor in a foreign language, and OCHK has no chance to get all they want without solid support from the Mainland citizenry. Is there a Chinese version of the open letter and can someone link it?

Their open letter is linked here:
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I reread this Open Letter and I'm pretty sure this was written in English and not translated from a Chinese original. Who wrote it?
 
Here is the South China Morning Post recap of the day:
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At this juncture I find the SCMP to be by far the least biased among English language media coverage, also they actually try to provide a complete background and details on what's going on if you dig around their coverage of Occupy Central.
 
Don't know if anyone has posted this already: Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong's fair and sensible overview in English of the political aspect of the situation in Hong Kong (dated Oct 3rd '14).
[video=youtube_share;HnJwu8pOeuA]http://youtu.be/HnJwu8pOeuA[/video]
 

Third_Echelon

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[video=youtube;MNHLoTx0Lz4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNHLoTx0Lz4&feature=youtu.be[/video]

Agnes Chow, formerly from Scholarism, lays out the hidden agenda?

@2:21 onwards

"I don't know if Joshua Wong is siding with the Americans but in all serious, with all this happening, the one who benefits the most is America"

It's only a matter of time before NTDTV/Epoch Times, SCMP and the other English speaking MSM start saying that Agnes Chow or her family got money from PRC.
 
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POKL

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Two things

One

People who invoke screening process for candidates as some sort of ‘dictatorship through the backdoor’ forget, is that basically every country, including ones viewed as long established democracies, has laws stipulating what criteria a candidate for running for elected office must meet (positive criteria) or what he / she can not (negative criteria) or both. And there are ways to enforce it by it by some sort of electoral commission, or the body that registers candidates, or courts or a combination of the mentioned before. It very much depends on a given country or territory but virtually every country with elections has such regulations which in fact amount to nothing else but candidate screening or election result veto or both. There is no such thing as everybody can run for everything and every election result will be always approved.
So in order to evaluate the case of HK one should compare the laws with other similar laws in other countries.

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Another thing is, that certain ‘NGOs’ – in fact very much gov. orgs. because they are founded by public (taxpayer) money from a certain country made a lot of effort to cause trouble.

For starters the link

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and check out NED’s auditing reports – plenty of taxpayers’ money shovelled there.
 

Blackstone

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Agnes Chow, formerly from Scholarism, lays out the hidden agenda?

@2:21 onwards

"I don't know if Joshua Wong is siding with the Americans but in all serious, with all this happening, the one who benefits the most is America"

It's only a matter of time before NTDTV/Epoch Times, SCMP and the other English speaking MSM start saying that Agnes Chow or her family got money from PRC.
On balance, it's doubtful US benefits from OCHK for lots of reasons, and a partial list includes-
  • CCP and HKSAR governments can demonstrate they followed the provisions of "Basic Law"
  • Tension with China is already high, more wouldn't benefit US, China, or any other country
  • OCHK is failing, and US gains little by latching onto a loser
  • Most Western nations have remained relatively silent, and their halfhearted "concerns" lend weight not to the protesters, but to PRC and HKSAR governments
 

shen

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Finally, HK police are moving in to dismantle the illegal barricades that have made life a living hell for the people of HK for the last two weeks.

Hong Kong police clear protest sites
Operation under way for second day at main protest site that was occupied by pro-democracy demonstrators for two weeks.
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For two weeks the protesters, mostly students, agitated for full democracy for the former British colony [AFP]

Police officers armed with bolt cutters, chainsaws and sledgehammers have been clearing barricades along a stretch of the main protest site in Hong Kong held by pro-democracy demonstrators for the past fortnight.

The police operation early on Tuesday was the third in two days to dismantle barricades after two weeks of protests in the Asian financial hub.

The officers opened another road in the Causeway Bay shopping district that had been blocked by the protesters.

Violent clashes had erupted on Monday between anti-protest groups and demonstrators after police removed barricades.

About 100 officers charged down Queensway, a major thoroughfare running through the heart of Hong Kong, to tackle a string of barricades running across the road, the AFP news agency said.

Officers used clippers to slice through the plastic ties that protesters had used to lash railings and bamboo poles together and also removed protester tents, AFP said.

Police also cleared out protesters' tents nearby, and started to take down other makeshift barricades of plywood, trash cans and items collected by protesters and piling them into trucks and vans, the Associated Press news agency said.

Barricades reinforced

The barricades to the south of the main Admiralty protest site had been reinforced overnight with bamboo poles following a similar attempt by police on Monday to remove protester cordons which were primarily constructed out of metal railings.

"Police have decided to take the next step in action to take away unlawful obstacles on the westbound lane and tram lines of Queensway," a police spokesman said shortly before the operation started.

The protesters, mostly students, are demanding full democracy for the former British colony.

The protest initially gained wide public support but that has waned as frustrations build over traffic gridlocks gripping Hong Kong.

Vast crowds have rallied against China's insistence that it would choose candidates standing for election as the city's next leader in 2017.

The protesters, led by university students, have occupied sections of roads in three main areas in Hong Kong since September 28 in a civil disobedience movement against the "fake democracy" in the Asian financial hub.

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Blitzo

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You know, I think they should just let the protesters stay there. Let them do their thing, and if they keep there and inconvenience people, then the public will turn on them one at a time.

Let's see how long they can keep going for.
 
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