The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft

[Miragedriver]

China CCTV news reported PLA Navy equip new JL-9G training plane as their future carrier-based training aircraft. These Aircraft will also serve on the carrier in a support roll for the J-11.

Very interesting evolution in aircraft development: Mig21 ==> J-7 ==> JL-9 ==> FTC-2000 ==> JL-9G (did I miss a step?). Once again they add DSI inlet technology to new plane. There's no doubt PLA Navy hope to use JL-9 to train future pilots of J-15 fighter.

I will now get back to bottling my Malbec

 

[Miragedriver]

Young pilots from North sea fleet carry out night training on JL-9

[video=youtube;pQcg92EqwW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcg92EqwW8&feature=player_embedded[/video]

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[thunderchief]

And for J-12, It is "guerrilla" extremely light front line fighter, about 4 tons. It can take off in less than 500 meters and be transported by tracks. It is the 1st fighter designed by Chinese and because of lack of experience, the plane was considered not better than J-7/J-8 and the plan was stopped.

Got any pics and/or articles about J-12 ? It seems it was very nice little plane .

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[Miragedriver]

JL-9 art:

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[Miragedriver]

I really like the new wing configuration of the JL-9G of that of the original JL-9:

Original JL-9

New wing configuration

Nice lite weapon load

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[Miragedriver]

Got any pics and/or articles about J-12 ? It seems it was very nice little plane .

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Very attractive little aircraft:

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[POKL]

Interesting – so while the Super Seven project (basically a solid nose / side intakes J 7) did not get off the ground because of the sanctions the US impose the effort associated with it did not go to waste being utilised in the JF 17 / FC 1 project (this being handled in a separate thread) and also as I can see in this thread in the JL 9 (9G) which seems to be very closely related to the J 7 (thus also the MiG 21) being basically a solid nose / side intakes version of it (yes I know also a lot internal / equipment improvements but I am talking about the basics).

Going back to my favourite subject that is combat use. Here is a graphic showing the Sri Lankan F 7 claimed “kill” against Tamil Tigers (LTTE) light aircraft. I have it saved on the HDD of my PC and do not remember the exact source of it anymore.

Also I was unable to locate the article on J 7 combat use on the other forum so if Sigecrossbow (anybody else for the matter) could help me would I would be very grateful.

 

[duskylim]

Young pilots from North sea fleet carry out night training on JL-9

[video=youtube;pQcg92EqwW8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQcg92EqwW8&feature=player_embedded[/video]

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Yes, I did notice that it was a JL-9 and NOT a JL-9G.

Why?

Shouldn't they be using the JL-9G for their training?

Furthermore it appears the landing was conventional approach with a flare touchdown.

This suggests that they are just beginning to familiarize themselves with the JL-9 and its characteristics rather than undertaking the 'real thing' with the JL-9G.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[duskylim]

Very attractive little aircraft:

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Great post!

If I remember correctly, this aircraft was a smaller, somewhat swept-wing version of the MiG-21 airframe and used just one of the 2 engines of the MiG-19.

All the more remarkable was that it had comparable performance to the MiG-19 (in speed, I think) on a single engine.

All with excellent short field performance and good maneuverability.

I wonder why it was not inducted into the PLAAF?

 

[thunderchief]

I wonder why it was not inducted into the PLAAF?

At that point of time (70's) avionics were relatively big and cumbersome . It was not possible to create small enough radar to fit J-12 nose. Overall, aircraft was considered better then J-6 in air-to-air combat (not in air-to-ground tho) , but J-6 was already obsolete . Compared to J-7 , it was more nimble but slower, and as I said before, J-7 at least had some radar . Overall, J-12 was at least 10 years late - it could have done well in Vietnam war, but at the time it supposed to be introduced into service first F-16s were coming online so as a fighter without radar it would be anachronism .