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thunderchief

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Actually, I would say that India is better in PR then China, but they lack substance . Sure, they spotted aircraft on the deck, but we yet have to see Indian Mig-29K launching with ordnance (even with AAMs ) . Also, if you read between the lines , during recent visit to Vikramaditya , PM Modi was disappointed because Mig-29Ks could not land on carrier (they were doing touch-and-go ) .


No MiG show on INS Vikramaditya, PMO asks why

The Prime Minister’s Office is likely to ask the Navy why the MiG-29K fighter aircraft could not operate from the deck of INS Vikramaditya during PM Narendra Modi’s visit on Saturday, a senior government official told HT.

The Navy had to abort plans to showcase take-off and landing of the fighters on the Russian-made aircraft carrier due to turbulent sea conditions.

The swell was 3.5-metres high due to a cyclonic storm in the Arabian Sea and the fo’c’sle (forward part of a ship) of warships accompanying the carrier could be seen bobbing up and down several feet, a senior Navy officer said. Authorising MiG-29K manoeuvres in the prevailing conditions would have amounted to violation of standard operating procedures, he said.

The PMO on Saturday had said Modi witnessed a “three-hour long breathtaking display of naval capabilities” onboard the 44,500-tonne warship amid heavy rain. The government official said the PMO wanted to know the exact nature of difficulty faced by the navy in operating the ship-borne fighters from the deck.

The PMO was also not too happy with “pudgy and rotund” personnel, including some officers, onboard, he added.........

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Jeff Head

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Actually, I would say that India is better in PR then China, but they lack substance.
Well, thunder, not even the PLAN can control the weather.

If the conditions made it unsafe...that's just the way it was.

As to them being able to launch and recover...we have all seen it numerous times, including with the deck full of aircraft, so we know that they are doing so.

As to them launching and recovering with ordinance...just like with the PLAN, we saw it during their trials and qualifications. So we know that they can do that too. In peace time, and particularly when your main focus it to train pilots in flight operations, you are not going to be doing lot of that.

Out side of the quals, we have not seen it on the PLAN Liaoning either...and we certainly have not seen the level of operations, with the number of aircraft on the Liaoning either.

But to naysay China because of where they are in the program would be senseless, and would clearly show a bias against them that is not warranted. Such observations and naysaying of the Indians at this point is a similar two edged sword. The Indians are showing what they are doing...and what they are showing is pretty impressive for having had the carrier arrive only six months ago.
 

thunderchief

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When comparing IN and PLAN we should note one thing - PLAN never claimed Liaoning and its crew and complement to be fully operational. On the other hand, IN declared Vikramaditya to be just that, so we should hold them to a higher standard . Therefore, two things to note:

- Weather during Modi's visit was not that bad and there are videos and pics to prove it. Granted, it was too rough for pilots in training , but not for fully qualified naval pilots .

- Yes, we did see Mig-29Ks taking off and landing with payload, but with Russian pilots at controls. We also saw Chinese pilots doing the same with their J-15s , although officially they are still learning to operate from carriers.
 

Jeff Head

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When comparing IN and PLAN we should note one thing - PLAN never claimed Liaoning and its crew and complement to be fully operational. On the other hand, IN declared Vikramaditya to be just that, so we should hold them to a higher standard . Therefore, two things to note:

- Weather during Modi's visit was not that bad and there are videos and pics to prove it. Granted, it was too rough for pilots in training , but not for fully qualified naval pilots .

- Yes, we did see Mig-29Ks taking off and landing with payload, but with Russian pilots at controls. We also saw Chinese pilots doing the same with their J-15s , although officially they are still learning to operate from carriers.
Agree with all of this.

The Indians are sending their carrier out on deployments...but they are also training them as they do so.

As to the Modi visit...why risk accidents when the weather is adverse? No, they would not do so.
 

thunderchief

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Some news about Tejas. According to this article, air-to-ground weapons have been fully integrated, but full operational capability is delayed (again) because they need more time to integrate R-77 and Derby .

Lca Tejas Inching closer to Mirage FOC-1

LCA Tejas which achieved IOC-2 in December last year , finally has cleared all the A2G ( Air to Ground ) Weapons testing Parameters set for FOC .In latest tests New Drop Fuel tanks specifically designed to reduce drag in supersonic flight have also been cleared for the first time. A2G Weapons clearance just takes the Tejas one step closer to FOC ,But Aircraft still has many key tests which are pending and it is likely that FOC certification will drag on till next year and miss the deadline of end of this year .
Key test includes integration and testing of Two Different BVRAAM ( Beyond Visual Range Air to Air missile ) missiles , Tejas will have Russian R-77 and Israeli Derby BVRAAM has main BVR missiles But missiles been from different Manufactures will need considerable time for Integration and testing of this missiles .
There is strong Indication that FOC will also be achieved in Phase manner and FOC Phase-1 will likely be achieved in 2015 will clear few set of parameters which has been set for FOC, and Second phase of FOC will include clearance and certification of mid Air Refueling Probe and testing of 23mm Gun .
idrw.org in past had argued that IOC to FOC deadline of two years is un realistic . Herculian task required to achieve FOC is easier than thought and IOC to FOC of similar aircraft produced by even developed countries required 4 to 5 years , According to sources close to idrw.org whole Air Refueling Probe testing and certification will take two years and the first aircraft with Refuelling probe will be ready only in next few months .
Integration and certification of 23mm Gun will not only be time consuming but can also throw out surprises , Aircraft and airframe will need to be examined for possible effects due to vibration from the Gun , Testing too will be done in Phase manner to avoid any kind of damage to the aircraft in the air .

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FORBIN

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Su-30MKI

According Wikipedia 194 in service, equip 9 sqn's , 16/18 by sqn.

2 sqn's to Bareilly as Pune/Lohegaon and Halwara.
One sqn to Guwahati/Chabua as Tezpur and Jodhpur which seems the last sqn who received the Su-30MKI.

Then 6 other the receive.

Jodhpur 26°14'50.12"N, 73° 2'50.90"E, 10 Su-30MKI front of the hangars in 12/2013.

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Jeff Head

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Su-30MKI

According Wikipedia 194 in service, equip 9 sqn's , 16/18 by sqn.[/URL]
I believe that India is by far, the largest user of the SU-30. More than any other nation (be a significant amount), including mother Russia.
 

aksha

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India's first indigenous anti-submarine warfare ship ready
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the kolkata GARDEN RESEARCH SHIPYARD is much more cleaner than mazegaon shipyard mubai,it seems. compaed to kolkata shipyard mazegaon looks like a slum
India's first indigenous anti-submarine warfare ship ready

Kolkata: India's first indigenously-built anti submarine warfare corvette INS Kamorta is ready to be commissioned into the Indian Navy next month, defence officials said in Kolkata today.

Built by the Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd (GRSE), Kolkata, it will be the first warship armed with an indigenous rocket launcher for anti submarine warfare, they said.

Indian naval ships. Image courtesy PIBIndian naval ships. Image courtesy PIB

The corvette is readying to sail out from GRSE's fitting-out jetty in Kolkata to join the Navy's eastern fleet at Vishakhapatnam in July, officials said.
The sophisticated front line warship with stealth features will also be the first warship armed with the new trainable chaff launcher - Kavach.

With an approximate displacement of 3,400 tonnes, it can achieve a maximum speed of 25 knots. It is powered by four indigenously designed 3888 KW diesel engines at 1050 rpm and can cover nearly 3,500 nautical miles at 18 knots.

The overall length of the ship is 109 meters and is nearly 13 metres wide at its maximum bulge.
With about 90 percent of the ship being indigenous, it is also capable of deploying a helicopter, adding considerable punch to the ship's anti-submarine capability.

It is also the first naval ship fitted with bow mounted 'Sonar' (sound navigation and ranging) for enhanced underwater surveillance. Integration of indigenous surveillance radar (Revathi) for surface and air surveillance is another first on any Indian warship.
Each ship will be manned by 14 officers and 150 sailors.

With reverse osmosis plant for fresh water generation, sewage treatment plant with vacuum toilet facilities totally compliant with International Maritime Organisation regulations, the warship measures up to all stringent regulatory needs to operate across oceans of the world.
The sturdy warship is the first in its class of four ASW corvettes being built for the Indian Navy.

Named after islands in Andaman & Nicobar and Lakshwadeep archipelago, ASW corvettes Kadmatt, Kiltan and Kavaratti are to follow suit progressively.

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hmm! the article says max speed is 25 knots, but a friend of mine in the navy says its max speed is 32 knots. we will soon see the kamorta joining the vikramaditya cbg.
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first of India's four brand new home-designed and built Project 28 anti-submarine warfare corvettes, Kamorta, enters service with the Indian Navy next month. The MoD's man in the east, Group Captain Tarun K Singha, a MiG-21 pilot whose been dedicated the publicity for the defence forces for the last few years, sent out this note on the new ships and the upcoming induction:

There is visible alacrity seen in the frenetic activities onboard India's newly-built anti submarine warfare (ASW) corvette Kamorta docked at the fitting-out jetty (FOJ) of Garden Reach Shipbuilders & Engineers Ltd. (GRSE), Kolkata, one of the four Defence Public Sector Undertaking (DPSU) shipyards in India.

Kamorta, a super-sophisticated frontline warship with stealth features is readying to sail out from the GRSE FOJ to join the Indian Navy's Eastern Fleet in its role as Indian Navy's newest submarine hunter/killer.

Known earlier by its GRSE 'Yard-3017' nomenclature where the keel was first laid and launched in 2010, the sturdy warship Kamorta is the first in its class of four ASW corvettes being built under Project-28 (P28) for the Indian Navy.

ASW corvettes Kadmatt, Kiltan and Kavaratti are to follow suit progressively. The lethal quartet will bring to easy recall names of the four islands in Andaman & Nicobar and Lakshwadeep archipelago after which they are named.

They will be feared platforms for lurking enemy submarines and possibly their nemesis too when detected lurking in our territorial waters. They would also be deployed as advance screen for the Carrier Battle Group to counter any submarine threat to the force.

Clearly, the rules of the game below sea-level are set to change drastically with no room for enemy submarines to manouevre.

Meanwhile, Kamorta's designated Captain -- Commander Manoj Jha -- and the ship's company (officers and sailors) are meticulously carrying out checks of all systems and equipment onboard including the crucial gas-leak checks as per drills as the date for the formal acceptance of the warship from GRSE draws closer.

The formal acceptance will take place in a ceremony -- D-448 Handing/taking Over -- later this month. The warship is slated to be commissioned by Indian Navy at Vishakhapatnam in July 2014, where significantly a nuclear submarine - Arihant - is also being built indigenously.


Shaping a Builder's Navy - Realising a vision in self-reliance

The ASW corvette brings to fruition a significant project in India's pursuit for self-reliance in indigenous warship building, bringing closer home Indian Navy's quest to be a 'Builder's Navy' as well as a true 'Blue-water Navy' with ships and submarines designed and built within the country.

ASW corvette project was conceived with indigenous design effort in the year 2005, which was followed by evolvement of detailed design ab-initio by GRSE in succeeding years. The equipment fit of the ship comprises of large number of state-of-the-art equipment which are being installed on a naval warship for the first time.

Designed by ‘Directorate of Naval Design’ (DND), the successful construction of ASW corvettes with advanced stealth features also bears testimony to Indian Navy's growing capabilities in designing state-of-the-art naval combatants comparable with the best in the world.

Stealth capabilities in the ASW corvettes have been designed by featuring the full-beam superstructure with contemporary ‘X-form’ and optimally-sloped surfaces to reduce RCS (radar cross section) signature.

The ship’s hull form has been made highly efficient for excellent sea-keeping and manoeuverability. The ship has an overall length of 109 meters and is nearly 13 metres wide at its maximum bulge.

The hull of the ship is built with special grade high-tensile steel (DMR249A) developed by Indian Navy and procured from SAIL (Steel Authority of India) for which GRSE trained its team of welders to achieve conditions of near zero-rejection state.

This grade of steel is being used for the first time on any indigenously built naval ship making the ship very cost effective, fuel-efficient, powerful and well suited for the service intended.

With an approximate displacement of 3400 tonnes, the ships can achieve a maximum speed of 25 knots. Powered by four indigenously designed 3888 KW diesel engines at 1050 rpm, the ship can cover nearly 3,500 nautical miles at 18 knots.

Each ship would be manned by 14 officers and 150 sailors. Ergonomy and crew comfort in manning equipment onboard has remained a focus area. Further, the ship has a modern galley (kitchen) for ship’s company.

With about 90 per cent of the ship being indigenous, P28 corvettes introduce many features for the first time in any naval warship. Many of these features bear testimony to commendable indigenization efforts undertaken by Indian Navy jointly with Indian industries for furthering our self-reliance in warship building capability.

Among the many firsts, the ASW corvette incorporates a state-of-art low-noise CODAD (combined diesel and diesel) propulsion system with hydraulic coupling between main engines and gearbox.

Two controllable pitch propellers driven by two raft-mounted gear boxes are capable of twin output or single output as required. This mechanism reduces underwater noise making detection of the ship by hostile underwater threats extremely difficult.

The four engines are mounted on the rafts - two on each - for driving the propellers. Indigenously developed IRSS (infrared signature suppression system) devices are fitted in engine exhaust for reducing infra-red signatures enabling it to stealthily operate.

With reverse osmosis plant for freshwater generation, sewage treatment plant with vacuum toilet facilities totally compliant with International Maritime Organization regulations, the warship measures up to all stringent regulatory needs to operate across oceans of the world.

The ship is also provided with an operator friendly TAC (total atmospheric control) system for high combat readiness with improved habitability and features a fully air-conditioned modular type accommodation.

Electrical power for the ship is generated by four diesel-engine sets powering to 3 MW connected with the ship’s network ensuring 100 percent redundancy at all times.

The ship is also fitted with sophisticated, indigenously made stabilizing systems. The propulsion as well as the power generation systems with damage control system is enveloped by an 'Integrated Platform Management System' for achieving a superior state of control and integration.

Equipped with an 'Integrated Bridge System', operational watch-keeping needs have been given a high priority in its design with optimal space availability for other watch-related activities.

The ship is also fitted with latest communication systems and navigational aids. It is also the first naval ship fitted with bow-mounted 'sonar' (sound navigation and ranging) for enhanced underwater surveillance. Integration of indigenous surveillance radar (Revathi) for surface and air surveillance is another first on any Indian warship.

The weapon suite of the ship is formidable and will be capable of engaging ships, aircraft and shore targets besides having astounding anti-submarine capability. It will be the first warship armed with an indigenous rocket launcher for ASW warfare, while also being the first warship armed with trainable chaff launcher (Kavach).

The weapons and sensors include fire-control radar, surface-to-air missiles, close-in weapon system, medium-range gun system, surveillance radar, chaff system for counter-measures against enemy radars and missiles, torpedo launcher, anti-submarine rocket launchers, EW system, combat management system and advanced sonar system.

These multi-performance features will also provide effective naval gunfire support during amphibious operations.

The ship is also capable of deploying a helicopter, adding considerable punch to the ship’s anti-submarine capability. With a foldable hangar door fitted for the first time with a rail-less helicopter traversing system fitted -- also a noteworthy first on any naval ship -- helicopter operations from the corvette decks will have a significant edge over existing platforms of other warships.

GRSE now a DPSU role model

Currently engaged with projects worth 10,000 Crores and credited with an 'Excellent' MoU rating for last three years, GRSE manufactures a wide range of high-tech modern warships and hovercraft including frigates, corvettes, ASW corvettes, landing ship tank, fleet replenishment tankers, landing craft utility ships, survey vessels, water-jet fast attack craft and interceptor boats.

Much to the dismay of the mandarins at Delhi till not so long ago, GRSE was once touted as an example of how a DPSU should not be. Besotted with labour problems among other things, GRSE began to be the pariah of sorts. But remarkably, GRSE has managed to overhaul both its relevance and stature by being among the profit-making DPSUs since 2006.

Former National Security Advisor and currently West Bengal Governor, Shri MK Narayanan, while speaking at GRSE Raising Day on April 19, stated: "I am well-aware of many facets of its (GRSE) functioning. Today, it is a flourishing ‘Mini Ratna’ with Category-1 status. There was, however, a time when many of us in Delhi had written off the GRSE, treating it as a hopeless case in view of the many problems – specially labour troubles -- which plagued the unit leading to prolonged work stoppages.

The GRSE was then seen as the kind of role model that a Defence PSU should not be. Today, thanks to the approach and attitude of workers, officers and specially the dynamism of more recent Chairman/Managing Directors, the situation has been completely transformed. It is today the model or a Defence PSU that every other PSU – whether in the Defence or non-Defence sector – should emulate."

GRSE turnover has since tripled in a little over five years, thus reflecting the healthy growth of the undertaking. GRSE now boasts of a strong shipbuilding division which includes design and manufacturing sub-divisions, and is perhaps the only Defence shipyard in the country which has its own engineering division.

The successful handing over the first P28 ASW corvette to the Indian Navy within this fortnight will surely bolster GRSE's growing stature as a major warship builder not just within India but also on the global stage
The Indian Navy has a habit of downplaying it's vessels- its frigates are arguably destroyers, corvettes could be called frigates and even their OPVs would be considered frigates in many navies
 
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aksha

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india's indegenous artillary gun seems to hve finally come of age
Desi Bofors howitzer undergoes final trials in major boost to indigenization ;NEW DELHI: In a major boost to defence indigenisation, the desi Bofors howitzer has now entered its final round of user-trials in Pokhran field firing ranges after successful winter trials in the mountains of Sikkim.

The artillery gun christened 'Dhanush', which is the electronically upgraded indigenous version of the original Swedish 155 mm Bofors howitzer bought by India in the mid-1980s, has already entered the production phase at the Jabalpur Gun Carriage Factory of the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

Both the Army and OFB, in fact, are "quite excited" about Dhanush, which they claim performs "20-25% better" than the original Bofors gun in virtually all parameters like range, accuracy, consistency, low and high angle of fire and shoot-and-scoot ability. "It outclassed the Bofors during the trials in Sikkim at sub-zero temperatures at 11,500 feet altitude," said an official. The final summer trials began earlier this week at Pokhran, and minister of state for defence Rao Inderjit Singh is slated to witness the howitzer boom on Friday. The Army has failed to induct even a single 155 mm howitzer for 30 years after the infamous Bofors scam, which in later years got reinforced by scandals around other artillery manufacturers like South African Denel, Israeli Soltam and Singapore Technology Kinetic's (STK) to derail all its artillery modernisation plans.

The Army hopes to plug at least some of its operational gaps in long-range, high-volume firepower through the initial induction of 414 Dhanush guns. The OFB has already been given an order of over Rs 1,260 crore to make 114 howitzers.

"Dhanush is around 80% indigenous now. It costs just about Rs 14 crore apiece. Only its APU (auxiliary power unit), electronic dial sights and a few other small items are imported. As per the plan, OFB will manufacture 18 howitzers in this financial year, followed by 50 in the next, and 100 per year thereafter," said the official.

Dhanush has been upgraded to 45-calibre from the 39-calibre of the original Bofors gun, increasing its strike range to 38 km with "extended range, full-bore" ammunition. The Army-OFB team began work a few years ago on the long-forgotten original designs, obtained under transfer of technology (ToT) provisions in the infamous Rs 1,437 crore Bofors contract of 1986, to develop the Dhanush.

There was a slight setback to the project when the barrel of a Dhanush prototype burst during firing trials at Pokhran in August last year. But officials contend it was the use of "old ammunition with air bubbles" that led to the accident. "The inquiry established there was no fault with the barrel or its metallurgy," he said.
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by78

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The Indian Navy has a habit of downplaying it's vessels- its frigates are arguably destroyers, corvettes could be called frigates and even their OPVs would be considered frigates in many navies

Is it normal to take eight years to construct a frigate?
 
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