055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[latenlazy]

+1 to everything

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Unfortunately, 055 is having a slow news year

Which is why this topic should stay dormant

 

[port_08]

Of course, one could point to Europe and Japan, but that really only leads to a more basic reason for why China is militarizing rapidly and seeks to have power projection abilities. While most of the industrialized world can simply rely on the US to stabilize global security for international trade, China can't or won't. China, unfortunately, does not trust the US, in part because the collective sentiment of the country still feels burned by a century long history of Western intervention, in part because they have mutually conflicting entrenched security interests and political goals (Taiwan, potential resource conflicts, etc), and in part because even without those concurrent conflicts of interests neither side yet knows if future ones will emerge. This is why China is adamant about having power projection capabilities and will have an interest in establishing operations far outside its immediately neighborhood, so that it can secure resources in the event that a disagreement with this other power it doesn't trust turns nasty.

Since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in the 90s, America remain the only global superpower and unrivaled military power in the current stage. We should be careful and watch the actions of a superpower nation where there's no amount of restraining political and legal framework that can bind and control such power. The very obvious flouting of the establish rules of the road (my way or the highway), flouting of the UN charter, unilateral action tendency and creation of coalition of the willing to engage and wage an aggressive war in foreign nations does not instill any confidence in China or hardly any others to put trust in America and "its allies"...

Nations still act like kindergarten children, bullying and ganging up on others...therefore, the victims must know how to wield the big stick and fight back as well so no others can dare to bully them again.

 

[FarkTypeSoldier]

Dear all,

I dont think its a good idea to OT so much.

Lets get some constructive topic about the title can we.

Thanks.

 

[Blitzo]

Which is why this topic should stay dormant

Where else can we discuss the arguments for and against the PLAN acquiring large surface combatants?
Where else can we post random 055 CGs and fan drawings of varying quality.

On the latter note:

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This 055 concept has most of what we expect.
It has the PJ-38 gun, it has 4 QC-280s, two helicopter hangar, uses the same radar as 052D... etc

However it seems a little too small for a 12,000 ton destroyer, simply based on the size next to the 052C.

Note the 052C itself is actually lighter than 7,000 tons. A ship that is 70% heavier should be sized a far bit larger -- certainly more than what looks like a growth of barely five meters in length and two meters in beam overall.

I also dislike the lack of higher mounted APAR in an integrated mast, and I think 055 could use two pairs of ciws as well (one pair of type 1130, one pair of HQ-10).
But apart from all that, I am quite fond of this artist depiction. I also like the relatively clean surface (especially going back from the main superstructure), although the forward bow can be stealthier I think.

(larger sonar, more integrated sensors, should also be desired of course)

 

[Jeff Head]

I dont think its a good idea to OT so much. Lets get constructive about the title.

Thanks.

Good advise FarkTypeSoldier

STAY ON TOPIC!

This thread is about the Type 055 DDG.

IT IS NOT about the why's and wherefores of naval strategies, any kind of perceived global naval imperialism, flouting of the UN, and any number of inflammatory and purely political perspectives.

Stay away from those political discussions or suffer the consequences.

If you need to know why...read the forum rules of behavior.

Thanks. That is all.

 

[FarkTypeSoldier]

Where else can we discuss the arguments for and against the PLAN acquiring large surface combatants?
Where else can we post random 055 CGs and fan drawings of varying quality.

On the latter note:

--

This 055 concept has most of what we expect.
It has the PJ-38 gun, it has 4 QC-280s, two helicopter hangar, uses the same radar as 052D... etc

However it seems a little too small for a 12,000 ton destroyer, simply based on the size next to the 052C.

Note the 052C itself is actually lighter than 7,000 tons. A ship that is 70% heavier should be sized a far bit larger -- certainly more than what looks like a growth of barely five meters in length and two meters in beam overall.

I also dislike the lack of higher mounted APAR in an integrated mast, and I think 055 could use two pairs of ciws as well (one pair of type 1130, one pair of HQ-10).
But apart from all that, I am quite fond of this artist depiction. I also like the relatively clean surface (especially going back from the main superstructure), although the forward bow can be stealthier I think.

(larger sonar, more integrated sensors, should also be desired of course)

While there might be a greater amount of missiles of all kinds, I think 055 should concentrate on sensors and sonars improvement for more better air defense and ASW.

 

[no_name]

They are not mutually exclusive. 055 is going to be a lot larger in any case and that means more missiles at any rate.

 

[kwaigonegin]

I have a feeling that the design of the 055 will have the APARs located above the bridge but it's just a semi-educated guess on my part.

 

[chuck731]

I suspect if the Chinese do invest in a much larger surface combatants than the 052D, then it could only be justified by substantial additional functionality not available in the smaller 052D. It can't just be a larger ship carrying more of what 052D already carries. So I suspect it will have different, larger, higher powered AESA panels with significantly longer search and tracking range, as well as different, larger, much longer range SAMS to provide both an additional layer of defence outside the range of 052D, as well as possibly a ballistic missile defence capability. If they build a 055.

 

[Blitzo]

Here's an x post over on CDF where I fulfill some hopes about what I want 055 to look like. Feel free to rip into and criticize it

12k ton full load, 170m length, 23m beam (so sixteen meters shorter than slava, but two meters wider overall).
Sensible, flared hull

The red boxes are areas for ciws placement -- there's one aft and one bow mounted, 052C/D/burke style. I'm thinking these two will be HQ-10. There's also two on either side of the smoke stack. One of these will be for Type 1130, the other will be a 30mm RWS. The thinking behind this, is that the 30mm RWS can be swapped out eventually for a FEL ciws later on. So, that makes 6 ciws mounts
x2 HQ-10
x2 Type 1130
x2 RWS/laser retrofit area

The green array atop the integrated mast is a fast scanning rate X band AESA for surface threats/horizon search
The blue array at the bottom of the integrated mast is the Type 346A radar, same as on 052D
The orange, faceted radome atop the bridge in front of the integrated mast, is an OTH radar (think mineral ME in the Herakles low RCS dome)

The entire integrated mast is "canted," so that looking forwards, you see the edge of the mast. Think Type 45's mast, only tilted 45 degrees right or left. That allows the main S band Type 346A radar to have similar coverage angles as on the 052D, and doesn't make the OTH radar placement obstruct the field.


Annotations:
1: PJ-38 gun in a stealthy cupola. This is a wholly optional feature and I added it more to retain the ship's somewhat stealthy profile, but also because I think it isn't entirely unrealistic, given such a mount isn't exactly high class engineering.
2: a bow and aft mounted 64 cell VLS, for a total of 128 cells. Not that exciting.
3: The short "arch" behind the integrated mast is the smoke stack for the four QC-280s. IR suppressed, with the actual smoke stack itself also very integrated into the main ship superstructure. Propulsion btw is of course IEPS.
4: A relatively large flight deck, able to handle future heavy lift helicopters. the hangar which isn't seen can hold 2 Z-18s.


Obviously everything isn't exactly proportional to one another, but this design basically has everything I particularly want out of 055. Sensibly stealthy (think slightly more stealthy than type 45), high mounted horizon search radar and integrated mast, along with higher placed Type 346A. Multiple ciws mounts, 128 VLS. And IEPS.