China Flanker Thread II

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Deino

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I doubt that, more like a j11bs than j16. likely for refueler, trainer, ewarfare role than heavy strike like j16. These roles are more important for PLAN now.
Strike for j15 likely means an asm or 2.
A striker with capabilities of j16 or more is further in the future and may not be based on j15.

YES, i know that ... but let it see it this way: The J-16 is a striker with a heavier, strucurally improved airframe for land-based operation + a decent avionics fit to fulfill its job.

The J-15 is also - even in a completely different way - strucurally improved airframe for carrier-based operation + a decent avionics fit to fulfill its job.

The most important thing to fulfill its job are the avionics and as such IMO - even if airframe-wise different - a J-15S equipped with the J-16's avionics would make it more or less a navalised J-16.

That way my point.

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delft

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well let's see. You get J-16 from J-11Bs by adding a retractable IFR, strengthening the airframe/pylon for additional payload, additional internal fuel and improved avionics with WSO in the backseat. Outside of additional itnernal fuel, nothing else seems to be too hard to change.
I think more was involved. It seems the production of the last batch of J-11B had ended quite some time before the production of the first J-15 batch began. I suppose that in the mean time the production facilities have been modernized. J-15 and J-16 are a new generation of Flanker from a renovated Flanker plant. More 3D printing, new composites technology?
 

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They should use a different colour than green for the wheels, reminds me of the green nose cone of the older J-8.
 

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really? i missed that one. what piece of proof was there that jh7b is a plan project? was there an image of jh7b with planaf markings?

this is all information from Chinese bbs. JH-7A was originally a PLANAF project that PLAAF eventually ordered. J-16 was definitely a PLAAF project. From everything I read, JH-7B is a PLANAF project. I'm not here to proof anything, so you can believe that or not.

I doubt that, more like a j11bs than j16. likely for refueler, trainer, ewarfare role than heavy strike like j16. These roles are more important for PLAN now.
Strike for j15 likely means an asm or 2.
A striker with capabilities of j16 or more is ffurther in the future and may not be based on j15.
I think more was involved. It seems the production of the last batch of J-11B had ended quite some time before the production of the first J-15 batch began. I suppose that in the mean time the production facilities have been modernized. J-15 and J-16 are a new generation of Flanker from a renovated Flanker plant. More 3D printing, new composites technology?

You need to look at su-27ubk to su-30MKK. The big part of it was the structural improvement to allow for multi-role capabilities and for more fuel. On top of that, you develop new avionics to support these missions. You can certainly apply the latter on J-15S. It just won't be able to carry as much missiles due to flying off STOBAR carrier. In terms of structure, it's already hardened and improved to absorb the punishing nature of short take-off and arrested landing +everything else that come from being out in the ocean (strong wind, sea water and such). The J-15 project requires far more technology improvements than J-16. J-16 had its first flight in late 2011 and it's already joined service. There are as many J-16 in service right now as J-15 if you believe what some of the big shrimps on Chinese bbs are saying.

In terms of J-15 in the role of buddy refueler, trainer and EW warfare, we are simply just mentioning additional versions of J-15 that have already been or will be developed. None of that preclude modifying J-15S into the fighter bomber role with technology from J-16 project.
 

Air Force Brat

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Even worse than older jets, green wheels look like copies of old Russian gear.

Yeah, I think Uncle Vlad sends them a case of Russian Fighter Green, paint for wheel spats once a month? Well folks the winner of the Russian Tractor Green Jet Fighter Paint isssssss, China! come on down here President Xi, and get our special grand prize, yes its a gallon of the Soviet Tractor Green Jet Fighter Wheel cover paint, and (this is top secret), if you paint the wheelcovers on your Limo, it will reduce its top speed to 32.5 kilos per hour....

I think that's the same color of paint that was on our neighbors Russian Tractor??? oh well, how about John Deere Green?? with Yellow for the wheel covers...
 

thunderchief

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They should use a different colour than green for the wheels, reminds me of the green nose cone of the older J-8.

Green anti-corrosive paint is standard on all Russian/Soviet fighter's wheels . You could see it on Su-33 , Su-27 , Mig-29 , Mig-23 ...
I'm no chemical expert , so I don't know could you change color to something else and still retain properties of the paint .
 

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this is all information from Chinese bbs. JH-7A was originally a PLANAF project that PLAAF eventually ordered. J-16 was definitely a PLAAF project. From everything I read, JH-7B is a PLANAF project. I'm not here to proof anything, so you can believe that or not.

what did they say specifically? and who, just random posters, or people with a history of being in the know somehow?

did they say jh7b is exclusively planaf's? or they initiated it, but plaaf will also get it? do they mean to say planaf will buy additional jh7b and form additional regiments over the existing regiments? or will they replace some of the fighters and become more of a striker centric force and have less self escorting ability? or do they mean jh7b is purely a refurbishment programme and already existing planaf's regiments will be upgraded to jh7b standard? if so, what will xian do with the excess production capacity? was any of this explained?
 

Blackstone

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Green anti-corrosive paint is standard on all Russian/Soviet fighter's wheels . You could see it on Su-33 , Su-27 , Mig-29 , Mig-23 ...
I'm no chemical expert , so I don't know could you change color to something else and still retain properties of the paint .

US carrier aircrafts don't have green wheels.
 

Air Force Brat

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US carrier aircrafts don't have green wheels.

Well the yellowish paint on the intitial carrier aircraft is Zinc Chromate,, that I could understand, I have sprayed plenty of zinc chromate around the shop, (it is a carcinogen), DON'T Breath it, but for all the protestations about Chinese Flankers????? really, leave the ugly green for Uncle Vlad, it matches his personality.... brat
 
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