East China Sea Air Defense ID Zone

[MwRYum]

The Map of Japanese ADIZ & China. It is very Naïve to believe that China will allow Japan to block its way forever!

So now, 44 years after the Japanese established theirs, Chinese finally have the capability and will to establish one as well. And for now the Chinese ain't doing it just for a fad but to hopefully introduce something enough to push things onto another level.

 

[LesAdieux]

now the patrol is getting going, if japan scramble jets to intercept, they may encounter in the air. then there's the ID procedure, if jp jets refuse to cooperate, PLAAF is supposed to take "defensive measure"....someone got to back down. Biden will be in tokyo and beijing next week, maybe he can help us out.

 

[A.Man]

now the patrol is getting going, if japan scramble jets to intercept, they may encounter in the air. then there's the ID procedure, if jp jets refuse to cooperate, PLAAF is supposed to take "defensive measure"....someone got to back down. Biden will be in tokyo and beijing next week, maybe he can help us out.

Not "defensive measure," according to the fine print, should be "emergency measure."

The West media has, mistakenly or deliberately, altered few points.

Another one, instead of "Air Defense ID Zone," is "Air Defense Zone."

Also, American B52s entered the airspace of China claimed Diaoyu Island. It should be American B52s entered China claimed China East Sea Air Defense Identification Zone.

 

[LesAdieux]

Not "defensive measure," according to the fine print, should be "emergency measure.".

sorry, I can't really tell the difference of the two. my take is if the jp jets refuse to be identified, the PLAAF is supposed to take some kind of action, I don't know what it is.

many like to compare the likely encounters in the ADIZ with the cold war era US-Soviet rendezvous in the international air space and international water, but the crucial difference is the ADIZ is disputed air space and disputed water.

 

[ladioussupp]

South Korea intends to broaden its ADIZ to cover disputed rocks.

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[Franklin]

Are any of these ADIZ's in conformation with international law ? Because it seems that countries can just expand their ADIZ unilaterally and at will.

 

[thunderchief]

Are any of these ADIZ's in conformation with international law ? Because it seems that countries can just expand their ADIZ unilaterally and at will.

Let's be clear , all ADIZs are completely illegal , no matter are they Chinese , American , Japanese or whatever . International airspace is just that , international airspace . You don't have a right to harass anybody , no to mention to shot anybody not directly threatening you .

But , again , realistically in international relations might is right . Therefore , it will all depend on balance of power . US military aircraft would not comply with Chinese ADIZ , civilian airliners probably will . We shall see what would Japanese do , but things are definitely heating up .

 

[Scyth]

If something is not legal, it's not immediately illegal. An ADIZ is just one of those "things" that fall outside the boundaries of the law. There is no law that prohibits or allows the creation of an ADIZ as far as I know.

An ADIZ is just an area, a line you draw and decide: we are going to identify the unknowns here. The airforce in an ADIZ acts like a police on patrol. Intercept and stop a suspicious vehicle or person to make contact and check ID and whether (s)he carries something illegal or is wanted by the police.

Like with big events in cities, the police can create an area where everyone can be stopped and searched to ensure safety. An ADIZ is not much different.

 

[Rutim]

Re: US incursion in new Chinese ADIZ: no reaction from China

For the past two years, China has been copying both US and Japan in terms of actions in the region. For example, China's act of sending coast guard vessels to Diaoyudao is simply a duplicate of what Japan has been doing. Likewise, China creation of an ADIZ is exactly what Japan has been doing. These actions seem like an attempt to "shoehorn Japan and the USN away from... an area of privileged interests" because both US and Japan have been trying to shoehorn China away from an area of privileged interests called the Pacific. It is that simple.

lol, I can't remember Japanese sending their fishing boats to ram Chinese CG ships

Risky? Maybe, but China effectively changed the status quo over Diaoyu dao area without firing a single shot or landing a single troop on the islands. China has already come up on top based on that alone, and whatever international outrage there might be will die down soon enough. China is a clear winner, as long as she could work with the US behind the scene and keep Japan from foaming at the mouth too much. Biden's visit is an opportunity to do that.

So far it only becomes more and more isolated on Pacific. There were no firends there and surely won't be in the near future.

But if Japan or the US wants China to abolish its ADIZ completely, they are very much mistaken.
Like I said, China faces massive air threats -- perhaps the most any single large nation in the world faces, aside from Iran and North Korea. US carrier battle groups and airbases hold a good fraction of the US war machine's airstrike capability, and it is flexible, competent and dangerous -- and aimed at China. Until such a threat is far from China's doorstep, China has a need to secure its peripheral airspace with an ADIZ.

US, Japan and Republic of Korea already showed that they don't care whether there is Chinese ADIZ or not.

That is a major victory for China because the strategy these last few years was always to deny Japan's claims that their sovereignty is uncontested.

Showing off isn't a strategy. It's PR stunt. If ROK will extend it's ADIZ over Ieodo this will mean a 'major victory for South Korea'?

So now, 44 years after the Japanese established theirs, Chinese finally have the capability and will to establish one as well. And for now the Chinese ain't doing it just for a fad but to hopefully introduce something enough to push things onto another level.

Yeah, 2000 feet above the sea. Indeed a new, new level!

 

[thunderchief]

If something is not legal, it's not immediately illegal. An ADIZ is just one of those "things" that fall outside the boundaries of the law. There is no law that prohibits or allows the creation of an ADIZ as far as I know.

An ADIZ is just an area, a line you draw and decide: we are going to identify the unknowns here. The airforce in an ADIZ acts like a police on patrol. Intercept and stop a suspicious vehicle or person to make contact and check ID and whether (s)he carries something illegal or is wanted by the police.

Like with big events in cities, the police can create an area where everyone can be stopped and searched to ensure safety. An ADIZ is not much different.

Your analogy with the police is wrong , because "police" in this case has no jurisdiction . Imagine American police trying to impose law in China , or vice versa . As for international law , part of it is free navigation . You cannot have that if one country intercepts aircraft from other countries .