Japanese Defence Minister: Helicopter & DDG "locked on" by Chinese Frigates' Radar

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airsuperiority

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Re: Abe cites Thatcher reflections on Falklands war

solarz said:
Actually, I suspect that Abe is making the comparison to imply that Japan would win against China in a military conflict over DYT. This is yet another signal (the other being the radar lock accusation) that Abe is actively trying to start a fight.

Look, I know some forumites scoff at comparisons between current events and WW2 China-Japan relations, but I would point out that institutions often have their own memory.

First, I would note that the current Japanese government is composed in large part by the descendants of those who were in power during WW2. Second, I would note that the current DYT crisis is the lowest point in Sino-Japanese relations since WW2.

I would posit that the current Japanese administration has no idea how to engage an assertive and, to their view, belligerent China. Therefore, they are falling back on "institutional memory", that is, the last time Japan had to engage China as a potential adversary.

And this is why I am starting to find Abe's comments and actions sinister. The radar lock accusation is ominously reminiscent of the "missing soldiers" pretext shortly before the Marco Polo Bridge incident. Add to that the comparison with the Falklands War, and it's starting to become obvious that Japan is trying to intimidate China, much as they had done, with much success, during WW2.

Unfortunately for them, the CCP is a vastly different breed from Chiang's Nationalists, and I think Abe is going to miscalculate very badly.
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actually he's just trying, in a very sly way, to "legitimize" japan's claims by referring and using a real-life case and applying that's also what they're doing. japan learned how to play the cards of being part of the "right crowd" since the late-1800s meiji era(something they learned as a very important thing). with now, it's given.

and i totally agree with the "first point". thats exactly what the f--king problem is today.
 
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kwaigonegin said:
I'm impartial to both sides but even I think comparing the Diaoyus to the Falklands is very ignorant of Abe. Biggest reason being there are actually a functioning population living in the Falklands who ARE British citizens and have been living there hundreds of years.

Last I check I don't believe there are thousands of Japanese citizens who has been living in the Diaoyu for hundreds of years.
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actually I think Abe has a point in comparing Diaoyu to the Falklands, that is: if China tries to take it by force like Argentina, Japan will retake it by force and prevail like the UK.
 
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LesAdieux said:
actually I think Abe has a point in comparing Diaoyu to the Falklands, that is: if China tries to take it by force like Argentina, Japan will retake it by force and prevail like the UK.
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In other words, Abe implied Japan is willing and ready to go to war against China anytime of the day. Well that clarified a lot of things.
 
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MwRYum said:
In other words, Abe implied Japan is willing and ready to go to war against China anytime of the day. Well that clarified a lot of things.
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Abe implied Abe is willing and ready to go to war against China anytime of the day. Whether the other 123 million Japanese would go along with something like that is an entirely different matter.
 
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LesAdieux said:
actually I think Abe has a point in comparing Diaoyu to the Falklands, that is: if China tries to take it by force like Argentina, Japan will retake it by force and prevail like the UK.
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Xi just officially took the reins of the country so for the CPP to lose to the public enemy number 1 in Japan in any conflitwon't bold well for his leadership and the CPP as a whole.

Personally, I don't think Japan can keep de facto control when Diaoyu is so close from Mainland China. Since we aren't talking about the much further SCS, we can keep firing ballistic missiles from inner China at will on Japan if Abe truly goes mad. Of course this would fire up the supreme American war machine once again so a full-scale war with Japan should really be of last resort for China.
 
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Re: Abe cites Thatcher reflections on Falklands war

cn_habs said:
Xi just officially took the reins of the country so for the CPP to lose to the public enemy number 1 in Japan in any conflitwon't bold well for his leadership and the CPP as a whole.

Personally, I don't think Japan can keep de facto control when Diaoyu is so close from Mainland China. Since we aren't talking about further SCS, we can keep firing ballistic missiles from inner China at will on Japan if Abe truly goes mad. Of course this would fire up the supreme American war machine once again so a full-scale war with Japan should really be of last resort for China.
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It's now Japan who want to drag China into an all-out war and let the US pwned China back to stone age...at least to Abe's Cabinet this is a sure-win deal they can't lose, because US is still playing along.
 
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Which is why how China is handling the situation with soft/civilian hard power is the right way to go. In the PR war China can use being louder speaking in English and being more repetitive and explanatory about the historical grievance context though, especially with the WW2 angle. Abe shouldn't be the only one crying 'wolf'!
 
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t_co said:
Abe implied Abe is willing and ready to go to war against China anytime of the day. Whether the other 123 million Japanese would go along with something like that is an entirely different matter.
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in which I will simply post this quote :(

Of course like what Goering so eloquently stated this is applicable not only to just Abe/Japan but basically any country.

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cn_habs

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MwRYum said:
It's now Japan who want to drag China into an all-out war and let the US pwned China back to stone age...at least to Abe's Cabinet this is a sure-win deal they can't lose, because US is still playing along.
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I totally agree but how would you react if Abe escalates this further step by step? I always thought he was just trying to stabilize his position and appease voters at home but does he want more than his current administrative rights on DY with the US card?
 
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