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[Jeff Head]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Jeff..There have been several times in the past when the ROC was planning to do this or that.. for instance buy diesel subs from the US and numerous other purchases that have not come through.

However this being an indigenous program it may actually come to fruition..

I'm going to merge this thread with the Taiwan military news thread

bd popeye super moderator

Exactly...in this case they have appropriated their own money and are going to build them there. They have the capability to do so, and they have set the money aside, so I expect they will do it.

And thanks for the merger. I thought since it was a new class of vessel altogther that a seperate thread might be warranted...but folks will find it here too, though the discussion about the particulars and strengths/weaknesses of this class will not be as in depth.

 

[Mr T]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Exactly...in this case they have appropriated their own money and are going to build them there.

Yeah, when the legislative yuan stumps up the funds for a domestic programme it normally happens. The only reason it wouldn't was if the funds were suspended, like when there were arguments over the contracts for the last missile boat programme.

 

[cptplt]

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this has to be 40 mill for the mods as the original notification was 3 billion for 60 choppers..What mods would these be??? special ops??

 

[bd popeye]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Like the DF-21..has this alleged missile ever been tested against a moving target at sea? Does Taiwan carrier killer missile really exist?

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Taiwan is arming more of its fleet with its new "carrier killer" anti-ship missiles as China conducts further sea trials of its first aircraft carrier, local media said Monday.

Five of the Taiwanese navy's eight Perry-class frigates have been armed with the supersonic Hsiung Ffeng (Brave Wind) III weapons, the Taipei-based China Times said.

Some of its smaller patrol boats have also been equipped with the missiles, which are designed to cruise at a speed of Mach 2.0, or twice the speed of sound, with a range of up to 130 kilometres (80 miles), the newspaper said.

The defence ministry declined to comment on the report.

The China Times said the navy plans to deploy 120 such missiles -- dubbed "aircraft carrier killers" by their developer -- in a project costing an estimated Tw$12 billion ($400 million).

The missiles were first unveiled by Taiwan in August last year on the same day that China began sea trials for its first aircraft carrier, a reconditioned 1980s-era warship originally commissioned by the Soviet navy.

China has conducted seven sea trials of the ship since mid-2011, the paper said, without identifying its source.

Taiwan's defence ministry has expressed alarm at China's recent naval expansion, although one expert said the People's Liberation Army (PLA) was still years away from operating a fully-equipped aircraft carrier.

Kevin Cheng, editor-in-chief of the Taipei-based Asia-Pacific Defense Magazine, told AFP: "It will take the PLA at least five years to operate a carrier group with full combat capability."

The biggest challenge to the navy will be the implementation of software, he added.

Ties between China and Taiwan have improved significantly since the Beijing-friendly Ma Ying-jeou became the island's president in 2008, vowing to adopt a non-confrontational policy towards the mainland.

But China still regards Taiwan as part of its territory awaiting reunification, by force if necessary, although the island has governed itself since the two sides separated in 1949 after a long civil war.

 

[Skywatcher]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Well, we have seen pictures of the HF-3 before.

On the other hand, I doubt that the missile is large enough to damage a carrier, absent a very large salvo (which then raises questions about how the ROCN intends to get close enough to a PLAN carrier).

 

[Geographer]

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Taiwan is to build 12 new "stealth" warships in reaction to China's naval build-up, the island's navy announced Tuesday.

Navy Captain Chu Hsu-ming told reporters Lung Teh Shipbuilding Co, a private firm, has been awarded a Tw$890 million ($30.1 million) contract for the construction of the first 500-tonne corvette, with delivery slated for 2014.

The prototype will be the first of 12 such twin-hulled boats, which the designer said are hard to detect on radar.

Anyone have a rendering of these 500-tonne corvette. I presume they are in the mold of the Swedish and Norwegian stealth corvettes?

 

[CottageLV]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Taiwan's problem is not lacking of money, but a strong willed government and society. The main force behind all the high tech weapon projects is the ChungShan Institute of Science and Technology, which is a branch of the military. It had been downgraded multiple times and this year or next, it will be completely removed from the military and further downgrade into a civilian branch.

Their problem is not that they can't do it or don't know how to do it, neither do they not have the money. It's simply the fact that they are aimless, like a college freshman, not knowing what to do with his life.

Like I have mentioned multiple times before, the Taiwan Strait problem is almost entirely sociopolitical instead of military struggle. Mainland China sees Taiwan and its people as their own, the cross- strait armed buildup is merely a prevention of separation than the American ideology of a tool for foreign exploitation. The people in Taiwan knows this and as a result becomes a mental obstacle for their own military build up.

They are Chinese themselves and the hostility towards the mainland is more anti-communism rather than anti-China. With the mainland itself gradually democratizing and quickly becoming prosperous, their views towards the mainland are growingly softening. The warm ties led to a slow down in the military build-up. This process is slow but ongoing, eventually led to today's incompetency and aimlessness of its military industry.

 

[cptplt]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Well, we have seen pictures of the HF-3 before.

On the other hand, I doubt that the missile is large enough to damage a carrier, absent a very large salvo (which then raises questions about how the ROCN intends to get close enough to a PLAN carrier).

As the Brits found out in the Falklands you don't need to have a humongous weapon to blow your ship to pieces or sink it ,almost any hit from an iron bomb or an AShM will put it a modern surface combatant out of action and thats good enuff. A HF3 at Mach 2 even with a 200 or 100kg warhead will likely stop your flight operations on a carrier or worse.

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Anyone have a rendering of these 500-tonne corvette. I presume they are in the mold of the Swedish and Norwegian stealth corvettes?

They are supposed to be more like the catamaran style PRC Houbei class.

 

[Skywatcher]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

As the Brits found out in the Falklands you don't need to have a humongous weapon to blow your ship to pieces or sink it ,almost any hit from an iron bomb or an AShM will put it a modern surface combatant out of action and thats good enuff. A HF3 at Mach 2 even with a 200 or 100kg warhead will likely stop your flight operations on a carrier or worse.

Considering that the Varyag is easily ten times the size of those RN destroyers in the Falkland wars, a 200 kg warhead just isn't going to cut it. You'd need a lot of hits to even make the Varyag stop flight operations (and that's assuming you can get within range of the Varyag. Good luck trying that out on the open seas, and enough missiles get past the 052C DDG and 054A FFGs).

 

[MwRYum]

Re: ROCN to build from seven to eleven new, stealthy Corvettes

Considering that the Varyag is easily ten times the size of those RN destroyers in the Falkland wars, a 200 kg warhead just isn't going to cut it. You'd need a lot of hits to even make the Varyag stop flight operations (and that's assuming you can get within range of the Varyag. Good luck trying that out on the open seas, and enough missiles get past the 052C DDG and 054A FFGs).

It was during the aerospace exhibition when HF3 made with that "carrier-killer" backdrop, and at that time ex-Varyag got the headlines, so naturally this is more of a one-upmanship than anything in particular.

And even by the Soviet's doctrine it calls for a swarm of missiles coming from all directions, whereas ROCN lack that kind of resources and tactical edge to conduct such a strike.