China Flanker Thread II

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Lion

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According to Kanwa (not a trusted source) the Shenyang J-16 is already in production and is a clone of SU-30MKK and the PLA Navy will be the first ones to receive this plane.

China demonstrated fighter J16 to the press at aircraft factory Shenyang Aircraft Co; it is a copy of Russian Su-30MK2, reports Hong Kong military magazine Kanwa referring to a Chinese authoritative military source.

This airplane is a copy of Russian fighter Su-30MK2, the batch of them was sold to China early in 2000's, reports Interfax citing the source.

According to the magazine, Chinese Navy is quite satisfied with performance characteristics of Su-30MK2 fighter. The military asked the Shenyang aircraft factory to copy that fighter with antiship capabilities adapted for Chinese-made missiles. Basically, the fuselage remained the same as J11BS airplane has, said the source.

The magazine reports that the first batch of 24 fighters J16 had been already constructed.

Since early 2010, Chinese Navy began to receive the first batch of domestically-designed multirole all-weather fighters J10A which significantly increased technological level of Chinese Navy, reports Kanwa.

The Chinese military source told to the magazine that "national air force has not received 'cloned' Su-30MK2 yet. Normally, Chinese Navy gets new fighters first. For example, two-seat fighter bomber JH7 joined Air Force only after commissioning into the Navy".

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Does anyone have any news about the WS-10B 3D TVC engine and a AESA radar for the J-11?

They are some rumour of J-11B just received the AESA but nothing heard of 3D TVC.

As for shenyang, they are hopeless. Copying is their best.
 

kwaigonegin

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J-15 is for carrier borne with canard for better lift off, single seat.

J-16 is double seat like Russia Su-30MKK. Multi-role strike and fighter role warplane.. Non-Canard...

that why I said I was confuse because I thought that was what the J-11B is suppose to fill the gap on that.
 

kwaigonegin

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J-11B is single seat. According to the news, J-16 is based on the double-seat J-11BS airframe.

I guess what I'm trying to say is how does China designate their aircraft build? Do they give a new designation even if the plane is 99% identical to another? It's even worst than the Russians. If a new # is given everytime some minor modifications are made they will be running out of 2 digit numbering system pretty soon.
As an ex you have J-10A and J-10B. then you have J-11, J-15 and J-16 which are essentially based on the same airframe and fundamental design block. then you have the JF-17 which is a totally different aircraft all together.

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J-11B is single seat. According to the news, J-16 is based on the double-seat J-11BS airframe.

I guess what I'm trying to say is how does China designate their aircraft build? Do they give a new designation even if the plane is 99% identical to another? It's even worst than the Russians. If a new # is given everytime some minor modifications are made they will be running out of 2 digit numbering system pretty soon.
As an ex you have J-10A and J-10B. then you have J-11, J-15 and J-16 which are essentially based on the same airframe and fundamental design block. then you have the JF-17 which is a totally different aircraft all together.
 

Quickie

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I guess what I'm trying to say is how does China designate their aircraft build? Do they give a new designation even if the plane is 99% identical to another? It's even worst than the Russians. If a new # is given everytime some minor modifications are made they will be running out of 2 digit numbering system pretty soon.
As an ex you have J-10A and J-10B. then you have J-11, J-15 and J-16 which are essentially based on the same airframe and fundamental design block. then you have the JF-17 which is a totally different aircraft all together.

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I guess what I'm trying to say is how does China designate their aircraft build? Do they give a new designation even if the plane is 99% identical to another? It's even worst than the Russians. If a new # is given everytime some minor modifications are made they will be running out of 2 digit numbering system pretty soon.
As an ex you have J-10A and J-10B. then you have J-11, J-15 and J-16 which are essentially based on the same airframe and fundamental design block. then you have the JF-17 which is a totally different aircraft all together.

It started off with how we would expect variants are named i.e. J-11B, J-11BS, J-11BH, J-11BSH. J-15 is already a bit of a stretch but one can argue besides the canards there are also other changes to the airframe to warrant it. J-16? I don't really have a clue.
 

A.Man

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Hainan Island, PLAN AF 8th Division, 22nd Rejiment Receiving J-11BS's

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70092

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According to a quite known military insiders, recently there are some military excersise between J-11B and J-10A at West China, and J-10A beat J-11B easily. so now J-10A basically have defeat all Su-27 families in China, even the J-11B, which should have at least comparable electronic upgrades as J-10A.

The insider also claimed J-10B's A2A performance is (surprisingly) considerably better than J-10A, the PLAAF is quite satified with J-10B until they get J-20.

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And there is alot of other info in that informative thread:

Due to the A2A performance gap between J-11 and J-10, the rule has been set for PLAAF's military competition between different divisions to only count these results between same-type fighters' dog-fights.

J-10 vs J-10 and Su-27 vs Su-27, whilst the match between different types of fighters are only count as friendly match.

Also due to the poor performance in these open competitions, PLAAF's 1st Division (stationed at Shenyang) have been critized by the boss of PLAAF, the commander of PLAAF suspect the training methods 1st Division employed has fundemntal flaws, and demand the commanders of 1st Division to improve their training approaches urgently.

Whilst Airforce divisions from Chengdu consistently outpeformance divisions in Shenyang, so I guess CAC really make the airforce divisions around them stronger, CAC vs SAC 2:0 now, just kidding.
 

Hyperwarp

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According to a quite known military insiders, recently there are some military excersise between J-11B and J-10A at West China, and J-10A beat J-11B easily. so now J-10A basically have defeat all Su-27 families in China, even the J-11B, which should have at least comparable electronic upgrades as J-10A.

The insider also claimed J-10B's A2A performance is (surprisingly) considerably better than J-10A, the PLAAF is quite satified with J-10B until they get J-20.

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And there is alot of other info in that informative thread:

Due to the A2A performance gap between J-11 and J-10, the rule has been set for PLAAF's military competition between different divisions to only count these results between same-type fighters' dog-fights.

J-10 vs J-10 and Su-27 vs Su-27, whilst the match between different types of fighters are only count as friendly match.

Also due to the poor performance in these open competitions, PLAAF's 1st Division (stationed at Shenyang) have been critized by the boss of PLAAF, the commander of PLAAF suspect the training methods 1st Division employed has fundemntal flaws, and demand the commanders of 1st Division to improve their training approaches urgently.

Whilst Airforce divisions from Chengdu consistently outpeformance divisions in Shenyang, so I guess CAC really make the airforce divisions around them stronger, CAC vs SAC 2:0 now, just kidding.

Do the recent Su-35 rumors have something to do with the J-11B performance against the J-10A? I mean just imagine F-16 constantly beating F-15 or MiG-29 constantly beating Su-27? That can't be going down well with the PLAAF top brass.
 
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