Engineer
Major
I think WP-14 got canceled.
The Q-5, J-7, J-8 and older PLAAF aircraft
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I think WP-14 got canceled.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Here’s hypocthetical question for all the aviation experts. The J-7 production line in now closed. However, we can not deny that the J-7 (specifically the J-7G) is an excelent little dogfighter. Given that the J7 has short legs, and a small nose to house a decent radar to take advantage of the new BVR missles; all of this meaning you needs lots of them to get good coverage.
Do any of you see a future for a fighter version of the JL-9 for air patrol and as a secondary fighter for some third world nations. Many of these countries still use the Mig-21 and J-7 so there would be a cominality of parts. If used in conjunction with AEW&C aircraft it could pose a threat.
Recently in the Cruzex 2006 multinational war games, a Brazilian F-5M made simulated kills on two French Dassault Mirage 2000C and one Mirage 2000N aircraft; achieved using the Derby BVR missile and information relayed from an AEW&C aircraft, the Embraer R-99. In the Cruzex 2010, two Brazilian F-5EMs made simulated kills on two French Rafale aircraft. The F-5EMs approached with their radars off, instead using the infra-red seeker on the Python IV for target acquisition.
It’s just something to think about.
Do any of you see a future for a fighter version of the JL-9 for air patrol and as a secondary fighter for some third world nations. Many of these countries still use the Mig-21 and J-7 so there would be a cominality of parts. If used in conjunction with AEW&C aircraft it could pose a threat.
Recently in the Cruzex 2006 multinational war games, a Brazilian F-5M made simulated kills on two French Dassault Mirage 2000C and one Mirage 2000N aircraft; achieved using the Derby BVR missile and information relayed from an AEW&C aircraft, the Embraer R-99. In the Cruzex 2010, two Brazilian F-5EMs made simulated kills on two French Rafale aircraft. The F-5EMs approached with their radars off, instead using the infra-red seeker on the Python IV for target acquisition.
It’s just something to think about.
RedMercury
Junior Member
I doubt it would make economic sense. Probably better overall to try to sell the FC-17. Meanwhile, I think maybe old J-7s (esp the ones with the double delta wing) can be auctioned to private enthusiasts.
Older J-7s make better point defence interceptors than dogfighters. The delta wings tend to bleed energy in a turn. They are still more maneuverable than Mig-21 Bison, however.
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Older J-7s make better point defence interceptors than dogfighters. The delta wings tend to bleed energy in a turn. They are still more maneuverable than Mig-21 Bison, however.
Miragedriver
Brigadier
Thank you. What I meant to say was point defense, but as you mentioned the cost of producing a JL-9 (with the J-7G wings) with a decent radar and electronic equipment makes it on par (economically) with the JF-17 (which is more potent and modern aircraft) and therefore results in any such possibility as economically unfeasible.
Even with modern equipment the JL9 is still significantly cheaper than a FC1 due to its 100% domestically sourced components, otherwise PLAAF might as well just go for a twin seat FC1 as its advanced trainer. Having said that, a single seat fighter version of JL9 is still just a J7 with bigger radar, if I'm using a J7 right now I'd rather spend more money upgrading to a fundamentally superior fighter such as the FC1 than a half ass upgrade to a JL9.
Just another - maybe stupid - question .... but does anyone know the Chinese designation for the early J-7's radar/rangefinder ???
As far as I know, the first version, that got a "real" radar was the J-7E ...
Deino
It was copy of Mig-21F-13's range finder.
The first one (time wise) that got a "real radar" is J-7III with JL-7
will dig it up when I get a chance.
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You forgot L-15.
also trainers have a fundamentally different structure design requirement.
its life cycles requirements are much more, (longer hours) than a fighter, thus making airplane structually heavier.
you can't put a 2nd seat into a FC-1 and call it a day,
to be truly cost effective as an advanced trainer the structure has to be redesigned ,
which means $$$$$$$ $
Oh, YES, how coul I missed that !
But do You know the Chinee designation for the licenced range finder ???
Deino
Oh, YES, how coul I missed that !
But do You know the Chinee designation for the licenced range finder ???
Deino
Its called Type 222 radar range finder a copy of СРД-5МК range finder on the original Mig21-F-13.
Equiped vanilla version of J-7I and J-7II.