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India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) tenders a Request for Proposal (RFP) to multiple private firms for AMCA prototypes. Mandated first flight within 30 months of contract signing, with a 7 year timeline until series production.

First prototype expected in 2029 with GE F414 engine. Five prototypes expected by 2031.

IAF targets 7 squadrons of AMCA.

HAL is excluded from RFP.

Private firms include: Tata; Bharat Forge-DPSU BEML-Data Patterns consortium; and L&T-Bharat Electronics-Dynamatics Technogies consortium.


ADA retains design authority and the RFP stipulates only 'resident Indians' in key positions in the private companies, presumably as a push for indigenous design & manufacture
 

Atomicfrog

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India's Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) tenders a Request for Proposal (RFP) to multiple private firms for AMCA prototypes. Mandated first flight within 30 months of contract signing, with a 7 year timeline until series production.

First prototype expected in 2029 with GE F414 engine. Five prototypes expected by 2031.
Why not ask South Korea to join KF-21... would bring some money for internal weapon bay development too. Same engine... they will compete with them for deliveries anyway.

First flight in 2029 ? Delusional hope.
 

PeaceKrieger424

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Why not ask South Korea to join KF-21... would bring some money for internal weapon bay development too. Same engine... they will compete with them for deliveries anyway.

First flight in 2029 ? Delusional hope.
KF-21 is still considered "only" 4.5 gen without the internal weapons bay, can’t say much about the current RAM coating situation and what not for it to qualify as a genuine 5th gen.
For sure it’s been a remarkable journey for South Korea and a JV should be a logical step for IAF.
BUT

1) Indian defence procurement bureaucracy lives in a lala-land of bloated spec-lists, that they go after a swiss army knife, where all that’s required is a corkscrew.

2) Indian strategic defence partnership with mother Russia can’t be reduced to S-400 only. Before any KF-21, a Su-57S dual-seater would be a go to platform IMO.
 

Clango

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Why not ask South Korea to join KF-21... would bring some money for internal weapon bay development too. Same engine... they will compete with them for deliveries anyway.

First flight in 2029 ? Delusional hope.
KF-21? They thought they were too good for the Su-57, what makes you think they'd stoop down to the KF-21's level. Also, 30 months? They clearly learned nothing from the Tejas
 

Atomicfrog

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KF-21? They thought they were too good for the Su-57, what makes you think they'd stoop down to the KF-21's level. Also, 30 months? They clearly learned nothing from the Tejas
Well their aircraft is more or less an Indian designed KF-21... with internal bay, same engine, same size. Would be just clever to go with them at this rate, KF-21 will have internal bay in the future...
 

Ringsword

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what is there to say? india needed to get serious about turbofans yestermillenium. they either have no concept of what is upstream and what is downstream or it's just willful sabotage by compradors.
Don't worry as always the indians will somehow find a way to blame/smear China for this Rafale fiasco like they do with everything.
 

Gloire_bb

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Well their aircraft is more or less an Indian designed KF-21... with internal bay, same engine, same size. Would be just clever to go with them at this rate, KF-21 will have internal bay in the future...
They claim VLO. That's a whole can of worms KF-21 hasn't yet touched, without which they're at most members of the happy <1m class.

Yes, it'll help to actually have that 1m, and not "1m* *before stores". It isn't that much of a gain for a purpose-designed 2030 aircraft; normal detection ranges against 1m RCS can now handily exceed normal combat ranges, and not like moderate stores add that much RCS. You won't be getting a magic advantage over Eurocanards by just removing weapons inside, and J-10 will still detect you. MAWS feels itchy.

Bay itself at the same time comes with a significant increase in volume/wet area (significantly worse performance, you effectively add as much volume as would otherwise move you to a higher aircraft class... especially with serpentine intakes), and adds very delicate bay release trials you'll have to repeat over and over. Especially supersonic/high AoA ones. ($$$)

But if we want more.
Flattening/replacing/neutering all protruding antennas, flight sensors, edge treatment structures, treating access hatches (in a way that allows actual access), and all secondary intakes, fully treating primary intakes and engine fans even behind s-ducts.

Getting to magic .1 sq m RCS (which, btw, isn't F-35/J-35 and J-20/F-22 level, it's"just" Su-57) is a whole industrial enterprise, reinventing half of the plane. You can see lots of small pieces of this job now actually done by Turks.
KF-21, right now, is far from even "cheap stealth" (aka, geometry only).

Adding a second zero to your RCS figure (to notional 0.02-0.05) requires further treatments and sacrifices, as you combat physical phenomena that were negligible, but now form a big chunk of the signature.

To be fair, Koreans even explained specifically that it is currently not VLO, only that a future version (a different aircraft in all but name), potentially, can be. It deserves credit and respect.
At the same time, they wasted a lot of performance on this claim; KF-21 replaces F-5, and as such, the ROKAF requirements to it were really low. Still, they got ~KF-16 level practical performance on a substantially larger aircraft with 2 engines, and Korea will be paying for that. But, this was a conscious sacrifice.
Heck, even Gripen E can cover the same mission set KF-21 does, on literally half of its power and fuel.

In the Indian case, the most experienced manufacturer in the country (HAL) struggles to get out of production hell without all these complications.
 
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