New Energy Vehicles (NEVs) in China

⅞water

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Geely's 48.41% thermally efficient engine was commercially launched in April in the following models:

Xingrui (Preface) i-HEV sedan
Xingyue L (Monjaro) i-HEV SUV
Boyue L (Starray) SUV
Fifth-generation Geely Emgrand

When it's passed on to Proton, the effects will go beyond mere sales numbers.
Well on the preface model,geely made its first ever podium in TCR World tour getting 1st,3rd,5th and, 6th place after just taking over cyan racing from lynk & Co,also icing on the cake the driver that get the 1st place is from china
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gcc

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Geely's 48.41% thermally efficient engine was commercially launched in April in the following models:

Xingrui (Preface) i-HEV sedan
Xingyue L (Monjaro) i-HEV SUV
Boyue L (Starray) SUV
Fifth-generation Geely Emgrand

When it's passed on to Proton, the effects will go beyond mere sales numbers.
~50% efficient? that sounds insane, wasnt regular ICE ~20% and ev ~35%?
or are my data just old?
 

Lethe

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~50% efficient? that sounds insane, wasnt regular ICE ~20% and ev ~35%?
or are my data just old?

For comparison, here is the BTE map for Toyota's 2.5L 4cyl "Direct Force" A25A-FKS engine as found in recently superseded Toyota Camry and RAV4. On release in 2018, this engine had the highest peak thermal efficiency rating of any gasoline engine found in non-hybrid application that was compatible with 91 RON gasoline.

A25A-FKS BTE Engine Map.jpg

Peak thermal efficiency of 39.8%. The engine is most efficient when operating between 1500-3000rpm, developing 30-60kW and 140-180Nm. The closely related -FXS engine used in hybrid variants of the above vehicles is slightly more efficient at around 41%. See
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deep-dive video on how this engine is integrated into Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive on (again, recently superseded) RAV4 Hybrid.

Relatedly, are there similar maps available for recent Chinese ICE engines claiming >45% peak thermal efficiency? A line in a press release is all well and good, but it would be useful to see what this looks like in practice.
 
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broadsword

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For comparison, here is the BTE map for Toyota's 2.5L 4cyl "Direct Force" A25A-FKS engine as found in recently superseded Toyota Camry and RAV4. On release in 2018, this engine had the highest peak thermal efficiency rating of any gasoline engine found in non-hybrid application that was compatible with 91 RON gasoline.

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Peak thermal efficiency of 39.8%. The engine is most efficient when operating between 1500-3000rpm, developing 30-60kW and 140-180Nm. The closely related -FXS engine used in hybrid variants of the above vehicles is slightly more efficient at around 41%. See
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deep-dive video on how this engine is integrated into Toyota Hybrid Synergy Drive on (again, recently superseded) RAV4 Hybrid.

Relatedly, are there similar maps available for recent Chinese ICE engines claiming >45% peak thermal efficiency? A line in a press release is all well and good, but it would be useful to see what this looks like in practice.

Geely's engine's peak thermal efficiency at 48.41% was certified by the China Automotive Technology and Research Center.

Officials from the Guinness World Records verified the record-breaking efficiency and the accompanying fuel economy of 106 mpg in a real-world, public road test of the Geely Emgrand.
 

MortyandRick

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Xpeng developed new Turing chip to replace nVidia for autonomous driving function. Will be used by partner Volkswagen.
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GM Chevy Spark aka Baojun Yep Plus is the bestselling EV in Brazil
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Too bad it wasn't a chinese company taking the crown.

I do fear that's western car makers will use the China market to gain knowledge and know how the still dominant the market outside of China and prevent chinese companies from competing on a level playing field and letting Chinese automakers fight eachother to death in just the domestic market
 

Michael90

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Too bad it wasn't a chinese company taking the crown.

I do fear that's western car makers will use the China market to gain knowledge and know how the still dominant the market outside of China and prevent chinese companies from competing on a level playing field and letting Chinese automakers fight eachother to death in just the domestic market
lol reason I said those joint ventures should be disbanded. They never achieved what they were intended for anyway, apart from
Helping western car brands to gain huge profits for little effort and their Chinese partners to sit on their lazy ass and make some easy money. lol . So Geelys chairman was right in his views about this joint ventures. Nowadays this ventures are even more valuable and profitable for western /japanese car makers as thy can now get an inside, tech and know how into Chinas EV industry and use that outside the country to better compete , while restricting/preventing Chinese cars from doing the same in their markets . Only those western countries who don’t have an auto industry or brand allow Chinese companies to sell/compete in their markets freely . The rest doesn’t allow this and I understand why
 

Wrought

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NEV exports crossed the majority mark for the first time last month, while the domestic ratio rose past 60%. Onwards and upwards.

China exported more electric vehicles and plug-in vehicles than gasoline or diesel cars for the first time in April, as automakers expanded aggressively overseas to offset subdued demand in the domestic market. China exported 769,000 automobiles in April, with new-energy vehicles, a term that includes EVs and plug-in hybrids, accounting for 52.7% of total exports, the China Passenger Car Association said Monday.

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